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Marriages Dec 1914

Gatrill William J Orsmond Rochford 4a 1383

Orsmond Mary Gatrill Rochford 4a 1383

Are you sure the boy was born in 1913 and was a Gatrill?

Had Mary Orsmond been married before?

That's a very good point will check thanks...

Just for ref I did have a look for a child born with mother's maiden name Orsmond, having looked for a previous marriage (or no marriage) for Mary, but with no luck. I could not see a birth for Mary Orsmond, so wonder if she was not born in England or Wales, and hence her child wasn't either? Interestingly perhaps the name Orsmond when googled brings up a lot of SA references, maybe Mary Orsmond was born South Africa?

this being one of the google results, re Orsmonds

http://www.ancestor.co.za/search_beta.asp

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travelling with Master A Orsmond aged 2 yrs 6 months

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Mrs M Orsmond

Birth Date:abt 1882

Age:32

Port of Departure:South America (mis-transcribed - should read South Africa)

Arrival Date:14 Jul 1914

Port of Arrival:Southampton, England

Ship Name:Briton

embarked Cape Town - last permanent residence was South Africa


Shipping line:Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd

Official Number:106919

Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 600; Item: 67.

That looks likely Choccy :-D

Strange that she arrived in July 1914 and married in the same year.

A copy of the Rochford marriage certificate would be my next move to see who she was.

There is another passenger list dated 1920 which had William, Mary and Master A (age 7) Gatrill with South Africa as ‘Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence’.
It looks like S.A. records are needed.

Choccy, perhaps William and Mary met in SA and she came to England in July 1914 with the intention of marrying - her baby's father?

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NAME: Mr W Gatrill ( think it says 'storeman' ? )
GENDER: Male
AGE: 28
BIRTH DATE: abt 1876
DEPARTURE DATE: 12 Mar 1904
PORT OF DEPARTURE: Southampton, England
DESTINATION PORT: East London, South Africa ......Natal
SHIP NAME: Gaika
SEARCH SHIP DATABASE: Search for the Gaika in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
MASTER: H Stang

There are many possibilities, but without Mary's maiden name (if it wasn't Orsmond) it will be difficult to track her movements.

She may well have travelled to SA as a single person, married and returned a widow.

The marriage certificate of William and Mary would provide more information.

First name(s) W J
Last name GATRILL
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 44
Birth year 1876
Marital status M
Occupation HOTEL PROPTR
Departure year 1920
Departure day 14
Departure month 1
Departure port LONDON
Destination port EAST LONDON
Destination EAST LONDON
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name GRANTULLY CASTLE
Ship official number 129058
Ship master's first name T M
Ship master's last name LANG
Shipping line THE UNION-CASTLE MAIL STEAMSHIP CO. LTD.
City LONDON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA

People with same last name on this voyage

- M GATRILL MRS
- A GATRILL MAST

Grave ?

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1277737