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I'm now trying to trace my grandmother's father, one Alfred Whitmore. I have searched various census for him as head of household but have found no results. It's quite a common name so I have used Fred and Alf too. I have no idea where to go from here apart from searching for his surname only, which might be a long haul. My grandmother, Lily Alice Whitmore, was born in 1893/4 so I've been through the next two census, 1901/11.When Lily Alice was married in 1920 he was shown as deceased. Would anyone have any suggestions where I should go from here?
Thank you
Shelley

This is what we've found out so far

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1350094

Three possible deaths between Lily's birth and the 1901 census

Name: Alfred Whitmore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Cambridge
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 273


Name: Alfred Stevens Whitmore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Hinckley
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 27


Name: Alfred Glenton Whitmore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 4
Registration district: Pancras
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 123

All too young - look at the ages :-S

There were two with the middle name Alfred who were also of similar age. :-S

It would have been best to kept this to the other thread so we had an area and that she married as Lilian not Lily :-)

When did Lilian pass away and where ?

Could this be her ?

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) LILIAN ALICE
Last name BUTLER
Gender Female
Birth day 3
Birth month 4
Birth year 1894
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1985
District BRENT
Register number 1285
County Middlesex
Volume 11
Page 887
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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Lily Alice died in 1964 in Rickmansworth so the Brent death isn't her.
She was married as Lilian, not Lily.
I'm still trawling through the census plus marriages for Alfred.

Sometimes, when a person dies, the informant of the death gets the age of the deceased wrong. So one of the first three births I mentioned on your other thread could tally.

Name: Lilian Whitmore
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Hinckley
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 62


Name: Lilian Alice Whitmore
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 376


Name: Lilian Whitmore
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leicester
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 298

The one born in 1896 was born in the same quarter as the Lily that Shirley mentioned above.

There's no death for her in 1964 as Butler

Did she remarry?

Can someone clarify where Alfred Whitmore was born and when?

Graham you are confusing me by giving 3 births for Alfred that just could not be. If Lily/lilian was born around 1893/4 then her father must have been born in the 1870's?

Shelley lynn can you clarify this please?

Just thought i could help but without this info, it's quite difficult.

Florence
in the hebrides

What was the father's occupation on the marriage cert???

If Alfred was deceased in 1920,,,,

This could be the census you maybe looking for...it's a possibility

1911 Census


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

John Hughes Head Married Male 50 1861 Middlesex Twickenham Caretaker


Annie Hughes Wife Married Female 45 1866 Lancs Manchester -

John Whitmore Step-Son Single Male 21 1890 London Holborn Railway Clerk

Harry Whitmore Step-Son Single Male 20 1891 London Battersea Checking Clerk

>>>Lily Whitmore Stepdaughter Single Female 18 1893 London Battersea Dairy Counter Brand

Edward Whitmore Stepson - Male 15 1896 London Chelsea School

Census details
First name(s) Lily
Last name Whitmore
Relationship to household head Stepdaughter
Marital condition Single
Gender Female
Age 18
Birth year 1893
Birth place London Battersea
Occupation Dairy Counter Brand
Address 46 Primrose Mansions Battersea Park Sw
Parish Battersea
County London
Country England
Registration district Wandsworth
Registration district number 26
Subdistrict East Battersea
Subdistrict number 1
Enumeration district 9
Piece number 2152
Piece Number Suffix -
Schedule number 275
Schedule Suffix -
Census reference RG14PN2152 RG78PN74 RD26 SD1 ED9 SN275
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales

not seeing a marriage for Annie Whitmore to John Hughes

You may need to get this cert to see the parents names

First name(s) EDWARD
Last name WHITMORE
Birth year 1896
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District CHELSEA
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 375

or one of these

Births Mar 1891
Whitmore Harry Wandsworth 1d 610

Births Dec 1892
Whitmore Lily Wandsworth 1d 601

Births Dec 1889
Whitmore John Wright Holborn 1b 677

doesnt seem the right family

Name: Lillian Whitmore
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1893
Father's name: John Wright Whitmore
Mother's name: Mary Anna Whitmore
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Saviour
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: John Wright Whitmore
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1889
Father's name: John Wright Whitmore
Mother's name: Mary Hannah Whitmore
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saffron Hill
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Name: Edward Whitmore
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Mar 1896
Father's name: John Wright Whitmore
Mother's name: Mary Anna Whitmore
Parish or Poor Law Union: Cranley Gardens St Peter
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


SOOO wrong dad !

Deaths Mar 1898
Whitmore John Wright 41 Wandsworth 1d 376

Florence - they were death records I posted for Alfred. They were the only Alfred Whitmores who died between Lily's birth and the 1901 census. Since none of them could have been Lily's father, this suggests that he did not die during that period.

It's possible ,as no deaths come up for Albert Whitmore, that he didn't exist

It's not unknown for an illegitimate child to make up a dads name /deceased on their marriage cert to save face .

I have got a marriage cert where the lady gave her grandfathers name as her dad on the cert ,I have her birth cert and her mum was unmarried

Ok - Lily's marriage certificate shows her father, Alfred Whitmore, deceased, occupation coalman. She must have been born in 1893/4 so Alfred is likely to have been born (perhaps) at the latest in 1871/2. I remember her birthday was 17th May so 2nd quarter.
I've tried looking at the Watford registry records but can't narrow anything down to a district, so it hasn't been very productive.
Many thanks to everyone for your help. I'll keep slogging away...
Shelley