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Interalia's name is Graham.

I didn't say anything :-S

What on earth did Graham say? :-S

Excellent post Maggie thank you
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The truth about the Human Rights Act:

https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-rights/what-are-human-rights/human-rights-act/human-rights-act-mythbuster

You do know it's nothing to do with our membership of the EU, don't you? It's totally separate.

What about the mentally ill, or those with severe learning difficulties - they can't take responsibility. Shall we deprive them of their rights?

You may imagine the founding fathers would be appalled, I disagree. You are reading too many right wing papers, it is rarely used as you describe, despite the lies repeated by Theresa May in parliament.

"It doesn't, it protects everyone's rights."

Repeating myself once more, an Act which offers all rights, but requires no responsibility from an individual, for their actions, is a Flawed Act. The Conservatives have realised this, thus the British Bill of Rights is being drawn up. As expected it is being opposed by the Liberal Left, Lawyers, many of them in the House of Lords, and House of Commons from all parties, who see their source of income on this Gravy Train drying up.

I would imagine the founding fathers of this legislation, would be appalled at the way this Act is now being abused by the Legal profession to-day, A right to Family Life, being the biggest con at the moment, used by foreign murderers and rapists, to remain here. It is therefore refreshing that common sense is now being applied, something we do not often see from politicians.

Those of you worried about overcrowding in England should consider moving to Germany. According to a recent report, the population there is projected to fall from 81 million to 67 million over the next 20 years or so, as they have the lowest birth rate in the whole world. Or perhaps Russia, where the population is expected to halve in the next 50 years, as they also have a low birth rate, the average male life expectancy is about 46, alcoholism is rife, and anyone who has the wherewithal is leaving.

The Governent and the EU are going to throw £££s at an IN campaign. On that basis the majority of factual information is going to be positively biased.

Where are the public going to get reasoned, factual, negative information?

It's all very well looking at the Bigger Picture. The man in the street has to rely on his own eyes and surroundings. it's all very well if you live in a middle class/wealthy area and socialise with the same, but different if you are less affluent and are one of many applying for a low skilled , low waged job.

France will build new infrastructure, with hoardings stating that it's been paid for by the EU. If anything similar has been funded in the UK, it's unlikely that there would be a constant reminder.

And thus ended the conversation.

IAN DURY (THE LATE, GREAT) & THE BLOCKHEADS
Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick

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From Milan to Yucatan, ev'ry woman, ev'ry man

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Eskimo, Arapaho, move their body to and fro

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In the dock of Tiger Bay, on the road to Mandalay
From Bombay to Santa Fé, o'er the hills and far away

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"Once a blockhead always a blockhead I guess".

Nothing like a friendly discussion is there.

"And, of course, there are no British criminals living abroad, are there?"

Quite.

And if the UK signed up to Schengen and the rest of the crime & justice provisions it would find it a whole lot easier to catch them or stop them entering in the first place. Not to mention making life easier and simpler for all UK citizens. Instead we are moving towards an incipient totalitarian system. To start with count us all out, count us all in with dates and destinations. Next request an exit permission. And so on.

That even the Labour party is tempted by all this fascist nonsense is depressing. The only real opposition is in the ever shrinking liberal group of the Conservative party who are fighting a lost war against the takeover of their party by the dark side.

UK citizens working in the EU outnumber retired people 3:1. As a work destination Germany is top followed by the Netherlands and France. There are also a good number of native Brits working in E Europe mostly retail, construction and agriculture. By and large they lift hefty pay packets.

There have always been significant numbers of immigrants to the UK from Spain and Italy. If they are working and paying tax I cannot see why that is a problem. There seems to be a wrong headed idea around that foreigners living in the UK is in itself a "bad thing".

Take as an example the motor components industry which is stirring back to life from its ancient lairs in Birmingham and the Black Country. This has happened thanks to massive financial investment by BMW, Tata, Nissan which is based on instant "just in time" access to the EU. 30-40% of a modern BMW is actually made in England! As well as removing financial and regulatory hurdles to such trade the EU also makes it ez for skilled workers and staff to move back and forward without a lot of visa hassle etc. Take the EU membership away and all this will go.

Once a blockhead always a blockhead I guess.

And, of course, there are no British criminals living abroad, are there?

The argument about Brits living abroad does not really hold water because a significant number are retired and paying their way with pensions, claiming minimum benefits from for example Spain. A Spanish citizen living in the UK on the other hand is more likely to be younger and with a family using health services and schools etc.
Nothing against the Spanish by the way (apart from Bull fighting that is :-P) just an example of the difference between Brits living abroad and professional shoplifting / benefit fraud criminals from certain parts of the world ;-) ;-) ;-)

"Unaccountable, Unelected, Left Wing Quango, run by Faceless Bureaucrats in Brussels, ( Auditors have refused to sign off the accounts for the last 12 years due to fraud, 6billion is the figure quoted for the last Audit) who will ride rough shod over any EU country that stands in its way, in order to achieve its goal of ultimate power over all member states"

You really should check out this stuff for yourself rather than relying on playground reading from Richard Desmond. Facless ? The names of senior EU bureaucrats are ez to find and most have web sites. How many UK cicvil service mandarins could you name? None? One or two? Sir Humphrey Appleby, Is that what you mean by faceless?

Proportional to total budget EU fraud is small and the auditors have declined to sign off for political reasons. The unexplained losses of the UK MoD are far higher both in actual cash and proportion of budget. The police have similar problems which is why Ms May won't increase their budget.

I am sure Frau Merkel would be fascinated to discover that she is "left wing" and that the bureaucrats down the road in Brussels and Luxembourg are really running the Reichstag show running "roughshod" over German institutions. Hey ho.

The only left wing government in the EU is that of Greece and look how far that is getting them. The right wings parties have a hefty majority in Europarl. The near permanent right wing bias of the EU is exactly why half the Labour Party were against it in 1975 and why the modern hard left still is. The rest were economically literate enough to recognise a jobs machine when they saw it.

However it now seems that as many as 200 Tory MEPs prefer to run the UK as a tight little cabal outside of the EU where they would be totally dominated by it with nul votes. Morons.

Grow up.

According to news reports, the PM himself may not be too sure of what he really wants - that is until Angela Merkel put it in front of him.

"Do we wish to continue with a flawed Human Rights Act, that only focuses on the rights of the criminals"

It doesn't. It protects everyone's rights.

Our Human Rights Act was independently passed by our own Parliament back in 1998, with cross-party support. The Act simply incorporates the Convention on Human Rights - itself largely drafted by British lawyers, in the aftermath of the Second World War - into our own law. The Convention was adopted by the Council of Europe in 1950 – a body set up after the Second World War to promote democracy, human rights and the rule of law in Europe - it has nothing to do with the European Union.