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Drone strike
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Dermot | Report | 10 Sep 2015 09:52 |
Any reciprocal drone attacks expected to happen in the UK? Or is it just one-way traffic? |
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magpie | Report | 10 Sep 2015 10:41 |
FHS, how on earth can anyone go out to the middle east, arrest these people and bring them back for due process?!! The idea is quite ridiculous! What more do these monsters have to do to convince us that the world would be a better place without them? For me democracy is like freedom of speech, yes we all embrace it, but not to the point that the N word and worse can be used with impunity. Insulting, homophobic, threatening or totally unacceptable language is quite rightly against the law, therefore freedom to say exactly as you please is not paramount. The same with democracy, of course we all embrace it but not to the point where when evil threatens us all world wide we are reduced to paralysed sitting ducks in the name of democracy unable to lift a finger to defend ourselves even if these monsters were beating on our doorsteps without the obligatory parliamentary shouting match, then a vote, by which time it could be just a tad to late! |
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magpie | Report | 10 Sep 2015 10:43 |
Not sure that IS possess Drones!!!!! |
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Dermot | Report | 10 Sep 2015 10:46 |
magpie - just a matter of time, I suspect. |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 10 Sep 2015 10:49 |
William Joyce was the holder of a British passport and as such was a British subject. Accordingly he was entitled to the protection of the British government but was also bound to give allegiance to the crown. He failed in this duty and was brought to court for treason. The Crown fulfilled its duty of protection to him by giving a fair trial and leave to appeal all the way to the House of Lords. He was quite properly executed. |
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Denburybob | Report | 10 Sep 2015 11:05 |
William Joyce was born in NY to an Irish father and British mother who both renounced their citizenship of those countries before he was born. They all moved to Galway in 1909, and Britain in 1921. William fled to Germany before WW2. He thereafter falsely obtained a British to travel to US. So technically, he was not a British citizen. So how can the state bend the rules in his case, but not in the case of Britons in Syria who pose a clear and present danger? |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 10 Sep 2015 12:26 |
The state did not bend the rules. Joyce obtained a UK passport and was thus bound by it. Read the application form - if you lie then that does not revoke yr rights and duties as a passport holder unless and until it is revoked. If you want to read a big hefty transcript of the House of Lords decision then go ahead but a long thread about Joyce irrelevant here. The Law Lords were and are probably better qualified to make judgements than anybody else. |
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magpie | Report | 10 Sep 2015 12:29 |
I don't think a single tear was shed for William Joyce at the end of the war! particularly not by us who lost family members and parents in that conflict, and I can't quite see the point of bringing that up now particularly as the situation is completely different. |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 10 Sep 2015 12:34 |
"how on earth can anyone go out to the middle east, arrest these people and bring them back for due process?" |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 10 Sep 2015 12:42 |
magpie - you have completely misunderstood that the actions of a country at war are not the same as going after an individual and executing him. |
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magpie | Report | 10 Sep 2015 13:01 |
I'm afraid we will just have to agree to differ. We both have our own opinions so best to leave it at that. |
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JoyLouise | Report | 10 Sep 2015 13:32 |
I do not know where the intelligence came from that helped to pinpoint with accuracy the location of those IS people. It could have been British, European, American or Middle-Eastern information - or even a traitor within IS for all I know. |
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supercrutch | Report | 10 Sep 2015 13:50 |
I understand the reasons given but I still feel uncomfortable regarding the process. |
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Newby | Report | 10 Sep 2015 19:31 |
Solution.. |
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magpie | Report | 10 Sep 2015 19:34 |
Brilliant idea Newby! |
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Denburybob | Report | 10 Sep 2015 20:13 |
I have just come back from an excellent afternoon at the theatre, only to receive a phone call from a friend of 65 years standing, to tell me that he has cancer. At the moment I don't really care what happens to these people. |