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Title: The Survey Gazetteer of the British Isles Including Summary of the 1931 Census
Title: The Survey Gazetteer of the British Isles Including Summary of the 1921 Census
Publisher: Edinburgh, Scotland John Bartholomew and Son Ltd

These summaries have detailed ED data but no individual's names. Sometimes they show up with specialist booksellers. Also available at central libraries on payment of a fee.

Looking forward to seeing all this added info online, it will certainly help.

Just incase no one knows, Ancestry have their migration records open from 2nd October to the 4th October for free, if anyone's interested

Fair comment - however the ID cards list

Residence (postal address)
Name
Sex
Date of birth (day, month and year)
Marital status (single, married, widowed or divorced)
Occupation
If a member of armed forces or reserves

An ER is just a list of names living at the same address. It does not give their ages or what job they did. Its not always possible to work out who is married to whom, or if they are a previously unknown 'branch' relative.

We should embrace all records where ever we find them. Even though the ID cards are limited in their coverage (age/geographical area - only England and Wales) they will be a welcome tool to online researchers with a pre-defined budget.

Lets be honest -that's what most of us are.

There are vast archives of stuff for 1911-1951 - ship steamer records, post office lists, census in other countries eg Australia, sporting records ( I gave cricket as an example ), phone directories, apprenticeships, who's who, Debretts, www.thepeerage.com, London Gazette, railway records. The electoral lists for London are on line plus some other areas. And many more.

These are all public records and can be very helpful in carrying out out research into family history. Some are online, some are not, some need a fee some don't. Ancestry has a large collection beyond BMD and census records.

I pointed this out in case people have the impression that without the census they are stymied. Not at all the C20 must be the most recorded and documented century ever.

In any case after 1921 the next census to be released is 1951 which won't be a lot of use to older researchers. The 1941 did not take place due to the war.

The 1931 census was destroyed by fire during ww2 either by enemy action or carelessness or arson. There is circumstantial evidence that some or all of the 1931 census was copied without permission and the copy has not been destroyed.

It's not really down to me Gins. There was a thread early in the year about it.

Yes, it would be great if it's included in another FMP offer, even if I do tend to use it to help other people ;-)

Det

Thanks for the head up about ID cards, I had no idea they existed

Hope FMP has the £1 a month offer on!

The 1921 census will not be released until 2022 because of the promises made at the time. Those were that it would be kept private for 100 years.

FMP have decided not to release data from the ID cards unless the individual was born at least 100 years ago. True, some people may be living aged 100+, but they would be the exception.

Kents Medway Archive have recently withdrawn from their website images of baptisms and marriages prior to 1915 and 1955 respectively. That often means the complete reel has gone. In some instances entries would predate the cut-off point. You can still view the reel if you travel to the Archives.

Sure, there are other routes we can take although the majority of British Residents won't have held private pilot licences or been members of cricketing organisations.

There's a fine line between indulging in a hobby and invading someone's privacy.

The 100 year rule applies to the date of the census not the age of the people enumerated.

FMP may decide not to release data on people potentially still alive though how on earth that would be done in practice is very unclear and probably impossible.

FMP does not have a monopoly and any firm which wanted access to public domain data from 1921 would be able to construct it'w own database and index and apply what rules it saw fit (if any).

Meanwhile there are many, many sources of data relevant to family history 1911-1951 other than the census though many require a fee or boot leather or both.

For instance I found rellies 1911-1945 through the list of pilot licenses, first class cricket records, African District Commissioners, old online newspapers, Australian census, licensed victuallers, NUM records and so on as well as the usual sources.

There is no embargo on pre-1950 BMD certs and the cert will have more data than just the index entry. BMD Certs are a very good place to start if you are unsure as the data is extremely reliable EXCEPT for the woman's age in the case of marriage cert and dob for death certs.

good luck tight lines

The Identity Card Number was an alphanumeric combination which was used as the NHS number until about 1996.

The NHS number is now numeric only *(3digits, 4digits, 4digits, separated by dashes).

thanks - it is NHS number!!

Ann - best to remove the number. From an earlier thread, it seems your ID number is now used as your NHS one. I could be wrong, of course!

still got my ID card - :-D

I'm hoping to find out if my maternal grt grandmother is listed- Although I think she died before then, at least if will narrow down the year range. Everyone knows how faulty personal memory is!

Thanks for that link DET. Looking forward to it as, fortunately, the folk I am interested in were born before 1915... :-D

http://www.1911census.org.uk/1939.htm says later in 2015

However, http://www.1939idcard.uk/ states
....... However because of Data Protection rules and the belief at the time that records would be undisclosed for peoples' lifetime, the decision has been taken that only the records of those over 100 years ago will be visible at Findmypast which means initially only those born in 1915 and earlier, that is aged approximately 24 and older at the outbreak of World War II. Findmypast have promised to regularly release more records as the years pass.

I wont wait up, for the census then, but any ideas when the ID card thingy is due?

Bob

FMP are getting set to release the Sep 1939 National Identity Cards if that helps?

Thank you, can't help my family with anymore further family history until that comes out, I hope I will still be here to see it.

http://www.1921census.org.uk/

The stated government position from the ONS is "its intention to release the entirety of the 1921 Census returns in 2022, in accordance with the non-statutory '100 year rule' which was adopted to reflect this undertaking of confidentiality".
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If we have to wait for them to be indexed, it will be several months before they are available.

The whole article makes interesting reading.

The 100 year 'rule' applies. Not until 2021 or even 2022 according to their website. :-(