General Chat

You can hide a living person on your tree which prevents the information being available to an invitee.

This however does not prevent the same individual being found in your tree under Search All Trees function.

I had to ask both GR and Ancestry to have both mine and OH's details removed from a randomers trees.
He told GR that he knew I was living but assumed that I would be hidden from thie search function
Anyone in your tree will be found this way, whether they are hidden or not.

For continuity between myself and my OH's family, anyone who may still be living or even recently deceased ( 25yrs or less) is overtyped with " Private Person" or "Not Available"

OH and I are "Private People" as are our deceased parents.
No siblings and definitely no children appear on it in any form.

My OH and myself were both showing as private on the Ancestry tree but I knew from the ancestry that this was us!
Ancestry had to remove us and BOTH sets of our parents from this tree as he would not respond to their requests.

Well, as I said earlier, the nearest to a living relative on my tree are my g grandparents, none of whom have my surname, so I can only presume a 'name gatherer' has my daughter and grand daughter on their tree, in the public domain.
I don't care if their main aim in life is to add random names to their tree - related or not - means their tree is a total lie - but they could at least not include living people, and definitely not children.

Why would you have to be 'skint' to keep a tree online?
The idea of having a tree on GR is so others having the same ANCESTORS can link up.
Come to that, what's the problem with being 'skint'?

"Whispering grass don't tell the trees, 'cause the trees don't need to know"...lol sorry I digress :-D

Annelies Van Den Belt , head of DCT family history , is focussed on bringing a Facebook feel to FMP with iPhone/Android/Windows apps and so on. She brings her life experiences ( such as being a Russian general ) and good friends in the GRU ( larf ) to the hitherto quiet world of genealogy.

I don't think privacy is very high up the list. As Bob says if you want a private tree why keep it on line ? Skint ?

[ cyrillic removed ]

If you reveal your secrets to the wind you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees.

IIRC Gr was the second version, the original was GC .......Genes Connected...


OTOH, I DO

question why someone would establish a tree on a public site, when one doesn't want any one else to see it.

except for getting a "free" facility to do so........

Bob

Have to admit that when I contacted FMP about having the same grand daughters info (as above) available, they told me it 'was in the public domain'.
I pointed out that yes, it was, if one searched for it, in a record office, but to have the details of a (then) 12 year old for all pervs to see on the internet was out of order.
It took quite a bit of to-ing and fro-ing (and threats of legal action), for them to delete the information. I also asked why her info, but the info of her 3 and 5 year old brothers wasn't available for all to see. The response to that was 'it hadn't been put on the website', to which I raised other objections and queried their policy, as dates of birth are mentioned.

Grand daughter never uses her real name on sites where she chats to friends
(I have 'hovered' when she does this - we have even scared the wotsit out of her friends, who think they're 'talking' to her, and I send a pic of me ) :-D

I'm very aware of all this stuff, I've fallen foul of a name gatherer on GR who wanted to know about my dad's stepdad. I sent him info. At the time (unbeknownst to me) GR had a glitch, it opened my tree to him - and he copied the whole lot. He's in no way related to my mum or dad, but now has those born in Romsey born in Southampton ( in his attempt to copy all my ancestors, he guessed) his names Albert, and even though he has more of my relations than me, he isn't related to me in any way, shape or form!!

Ancestry does have a hiccup when it comes to displaying names. Take, for instance, listing the second wife of Joe Bloggs. As she has been married before, you aren’t too sure when she was born – she is still shown on the current ER or other data bases. Unless the Living box is ticked, her name won’t be ‘hidden’.

It is a US owned organisation. It could be that Americans are used to having their personal date available to the general public.
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Let Rollo Be – we’ll never convince him that Reunited is one word. We all have our little foibles ;-)

The policy on FindMyPast is somewhat similar ..............


Information stored in your family tree:

Information stored in your family tree will, in almost all cases, include personal information about other people that are still alive. As with all information in your family tree, your information may be searchable by findmypast.com users (together with users of other websites) and may appear on internet searches, but all of the information will not be viewable unless you explicitly give them permission to view your tree.

You should always seek permission from people who are living before you make their personal information available in your tree, or anywhere else online. We have provided you with privacy controls to manage your family tree and control who can see the information in it. You should familiarize yourself with how they work as you’re responsible for using them to protect the information you have provided. We RESERVE THE RIGHT (at our own discretion) TO REMOVE ANY PERSONAL DATA which you have INCLUDED IN YOUR FAMILY TREE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IF WE ARE ALERTED TO THE FACT THAT THIS PERSONAL DATA WAS USED WITHOUT THAT PERSON'S PERMISSION. If you become aware that your personal information has been included in somebody else's tree without your permission or is being misused in any other way on the findmypast.com site, please send an email to our Customer Support team with details and we will investigate and, if necessary, remove this information.

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My emphasis in caps

Rollo

Ancestry does indeed automatically hide any person whose birth date is later than an arbitrary set year and for whom there is NO death year provided.


I followed your link, and it says this ............


How are living people protected

You’ll find two types of information about living individuals on our site: information members have entered in family trees and records Ancestry has obtained from trusted third parties.

Family Trees

We determine whether someone in your tree is living in a couple ways:

1. We give you control—you can change a person’s status to indicate whether or not the individual is living or deceased or simply include a death date.

2. We use data you have provided—If you don’t indicate whether an individual is living or deceased, we will determine his or her status based on information you provide. We assume an individual is living unless there is death information or his or her birth date is more than 100 years ago. If there is no birth or death information, we estimate dates by looking at relatives in the tree.

Once we’ve determined an individual is still alive, he or she is identified in your tree with a “Living” label. Members who don’t have permission to view living people in your tree will see a “Private” label.


Record Databases

In our extensive databases you may find information about living individuals; quite often this is information that has been made public by government institutions or other groups. Before we publish information on our site, we consider many different rules, regulations, and legislation, so we can be thoughtful and responsible in our approach.


If you find a record about yourself or your living family that you are uncomfortable with please contact Member Services.

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I think that is pretty clear, don't you??



and for your information ........ it is NOT Genes Re United ............. it might well have been at the very beginning, but it was Genes Reunited when I joined in 2003 (even though my profile says April 2004).

The staff have always referred to it as GR ever since I joined.

It is just a few old folk that use the outdated term GRU ..................... it certainly was not commonly referred to as GRU in 2005 and later.

Well, I've just put the name of one of my grand daughters on google, and a genealogy site has her (unusual) forename with her (at one point stepfather's) unusual name (which she has never used) - and her mother's maiden name for all to see.
Fortunately this isn't the name she's known by, but to get this removed, I have to join the bl**dy website.
I have NO living relatives - or even recently dead relatives on any of my genealogical sites - what's the point - it's my family and I know who my children/grandchildren and parents are/were
The 'other side' of her family aren't into genealogy, she doesn't use her real name on websites, she uses her nickname (my suggestion), so how has this come about?

horosho ... I find the pun amusing.
they are nice guys really but not into FH

re: Ancestry / getting permission from living people
"it is also a requirement on Ancestry,"
No, it is not they do not have such an a priori rule.

Ancestry considers that any information obtained from the public domain or the extensive subject databases within Ancestry can be entered into a tree. Objections to anything beyond that it will consider on a case by case basis but it has no general rule.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/legal/PrivacyForYourFamilyTree

Their sharing model is also more sophisticated than that of Genes Re United (GRU). It allows tree owners to share trees on a person by person basis with/without access to living people.

When access to information is restricted in some way e.g. Ancestry sub. then the information contained within is no longer legally considered to be public. Of course there may be all sorts of caveats on its republication.

:-D :-D :-D

:-D :-D :-D

The GRU usually means Russian Intelligence Glavnoye razvedyvatel'noye upravleniye :-D

What the hell is GRU . . . please tell us Rollo?

Some Genes Reunited (GR) members would like to know!

From a GR (Unhinged?) member :-S

192.com's new website - for people who want to buy houses - has been slated by the police as a criminals dream. All it takes is a payment of about £15.

http://www.192.com/places/property-prices/

Rollo ........

it is not only a GR restriction to hide living members ................

it is also a requirement on Ancestry, and that site actually automatically hides the name of anyone born after 1900 (I think) where a death date is not also shown.

I believe FMP has a similar restriction, as do several other sites.

They all have the same requirement, that permission of the living member MUST be obtained if the name is to be shown in clear.

The UK BMD database from 1837 - 2015 is in the public domain although FMP AY etc have only been allowed to put it online up to 2006. Ay has responded by adding updates since 2006 from other sources.

If somebody has a family tree using this data and wishes to put it on line then they can do so without asking the permission of anybody alive. The GRU restriction is a rule from GRU not a law. It is very widely ignored.

There is no law to the effect that putting the existence of Mr Joe Hill, 27, of Copper Miners Creek on line somehow breaches his human right to privacy. If that was the case then the press and 192 would be well s-d.
As Jemima says you can stop people you share yr tree with from seeing LR using the option she mentions.

In any case with GRU all of the people in the trees show up inc LR and blocked LR using the built in GRU search engine against the trees. Using this method it is possible to dig out quite a lot of info from a tree even when the OP does not reply to messages - usually 'cos they are no longer active members. I suppose some would regard this as a bug.

It's easy Ian

Click on Account at the top of your Home Page (or any GR page actually)

Your personal details will appear.

Go to the section that says "Hide Living Relatives" and click on the arrow. Yes / No appears on the drop down bar.
Click on yes, and save.

Actually, we are not supposed to show living relatives on our tree unless that relative has given permission for others to see it.

Do you mean you don't want anyone to see anybody added to your tree, even if they are not alive? If so, you have to give permission for another GR member to see your tree. If someone asks for access to your tree, you can refuse.

If you hide ALL members then you will never get any "Hot Matches"
you CAN hide living names but,
no one will be able to offer advice or help regarding any of your tree members.....
LOL