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what it was RMS, was you said at the beginning it was 'like he never existed', so it sounded as if you were looking to find out his birth and parents and so on ....... ?

(and I just get peevish when in order to see the details of one little death reg I have to scroll down literally a monitor and a half to get through it ... especially when I already posted it :-) )

Okay if it makes you both feel better I already knew his age, but thanks. :-P ;-)

the freebmd entries give all that info :-)

Deaths Mar 1950
Imms Frederick W >>>89 Bournemouth 6b 115

Ancestry etc estimate the year of birth, is all

it's the exact same transcription from the GRO index, freebmd just puts the headings along the top:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Joonie,

You only put the death cert details on which RMS alrady had.

My post gives his age when was born which someone was asking about is age when he died.

yes, wHoa is me

Mr X, with a name not far off from 'Smith', married Ms Hoare

he turns out (by testing his gr-gr-grandson) to have Hoare DNA, not 'X' DNA at all

(unless he was truly an X and and either his son or his grandson wasn't!)

and Ms Hoare, well, she bears all the hallmarks of a particular Hoare family (once I found her remarrying in the 1830s and in the 1841 census with her other son and her new husband, and then finally in 1851, just before she popped her clogs, with an actual place of birth shown)

but that family is all well accounted for, the father being the prosperous one with the two pre-marriage children and numerous older and younger children, one batch baptised in the early 1790s in the very small parish where my Ms Hoare was born in the mid-late 1790s, per the census, where his wife then drowned (ruled accidental, but one wonders), and this Ms Hoare of mine would have been born, by conflicting 1841 and 1851 census ages, just before or a couple of years after that drowning, so either she was born before the drowning and didn't get baptised or she was the product of some other liaison between the drowning and the second marriage 8 years later, to a woman who, yes, had had a child of her own around the right time but with a different name who is also accounted for anyway ... eeyyaaah, and these people were supposed to have observed the proprieties and niceties back then!

I know which Hoare clan Mr X's genes match, but have no idea which one Ms Hoare's daddy belonged to, since his marriage and kids and burial are all nicely documented, but if he was baptised, I have yet to find where and when.

for all I know he came from Hampshire :-D :-D :-D

HA HA!!!!

At least my Hoares were 'married into', and not direct ancestors - unlike your case, where they may be more 'direct' than is healthy :-D :-D :-D :-D :

well if you're going to snigger like that, you may not be my cousin!

:-P :-D

I may be a Hoare from two directions (husband and wife actually ... but at least they weren't sister and brother as far as I can tell) ... if I bite the bullet and order a couple more DNA tests during the holiday sale, maybe I'll find out ...

Joonie, my Hoares lived in Southampton for generations.
Mr Hoare (William I think)ran a big shop in the town.
My g granddad's sister married into the family.
My gran knew their children, and kept on about how educated the Hoares were :-0
Yes, I sniggered :-D
Descendants of the family now run a building firm - lots of vans with the legend 'Hoares of Fareham' emblazoned along the side :-D :-D :-D

Sorry Sue, his only son died in 1906, in Aston, Warwickshire.

Sue! I posted that a long time ago, and in one heck of a lot fewer lines!!


Deaths Mar 1950
Imms Frederick W 89 Bournemouth 6b 115


:-D

RMS.

Did he have a son that died in Cardiff in 1951. ???

So this is his death in FREEBMD



England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription





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First name(s)
FREDERICK W

Last name
IMMS

Gender
Male

Birth day
-

Birth month
-

Birth year
1861

Age
89

Death quarter
1

Death year
1950

District
BOURNEMOUTH

County
Dorset

Volume
6B

Page
115

Country
England

Record set
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

I will look for his burial.

I sense a tale of ancestral treachery :-)

Don't you just hate it when people die between censuses and the widow disappears for 30+ years and then turns up on a death certificate, but that is another family and a whole other problem.

oh, your Hoares were probably those richy rich banking Hoares :-)

actually was she the daughter of George the son of Francis?

Francis Hoare is a good Cornwall name indeed

Francis father of George noted in 1841 that he was not born in county (Surrey), and then promptly died in 1843, so I dunno where he was from

his widow who remarried was born in Worcestershire

snooping in other people's bushes, it's what we do ...

and oops I see Francis was a lab in 1841 so if he's Winifred's grf there was no inheritance for her :-)

:-D Joonie!

I'm afraid, in Hampshire, the 'H' is evident. :-D :-D

We may be related, both with Hoares in our family :-D :-D :-D

ahem ahem ... it is pronounced 'Oar'

:-D

yes, when I found that my gr-gr-gr grandmother was A Hoare ... I just had to share with my mother

however her father (the female ancestor's not my mother's!) did live up to the name ... two bastardy orders against him in the three years preceding his marriage ... to a different woman

Okay, I have a dirty mind. His name was the first thing I saw :-( :-0 :-S :-D :-D

I had a ggg aunt - surname Hoare.
When mum and I were looking through a relevant census, I got the giggles, as she was listed as Winifred A Hoare. :-D

I've noticed that people on the other side have become fond of the word at least on the internet too :-)

there are so many ways of saying things that just sound better on one side of the ocean than the other

how much nicer to 'fancy' someone than to 'have the hots' for them!

and Mr W Ankers is just more tasteful than Mr A Soles :-D

I confess that one took me a minute though too ... but I looked him up at freebmd and I suspect he was William Lawrence, but might have been quite attached to his middle initial indeed

Is it not Sylvia, ah that explains RMS's confusion, sorry RMS.

It's not a word I use often, well i try not to! But I do slip and use it to refer to certain politicians I'm afraid, I hadn't realised it was more of a British term though.