General Chat

Excuse me, I ap0ologise, I should have asked who had the authority

Their wives? ;-)

Very good answer Rambling Rose :-D :-D :-D

there WERE doctors then :-)


From: Purple Secret. Genes, 'Madness' and the Royal Houses of Europe. (published 1998)

His physician Sir George Baker was so worried by a meeting with the King on 22
October 1788 that he described George's condition as "bordering on delerium". By late November 7 royal physicians were involved,and arguing as to the cause and prognosis of the KIng's illness.

It was the doctors who described him as mad ...............

of course they had no idea that what we now call porphyria was the cause for his intermittent bouts of madness

very sad, but never the less on the record.

A much, much older event is recorded in the OT
King Nebuchadnezzar was humbled to eating grass.

It isn't really for us to judge how illness was described and treated in the past. The doctors had to work with knowledge as it was. When people in the future look back on what we take as the present day they will no doubt think some of our treatments and diagnosis where equally bizarre.

Andy

d. He was driven from men and ate grass like oxen: There is no corresponding record of this seven-year (seven times) period of insanity in the secular historical records of Babylon - exactly as we would expect, considering the customs of that time. Nevertheless, Abydenus, a Greek historian, wrote in 268 b.c. that Nebuchadnezzar was "possessed by some god" and that he had "immediately disappeared." (Wood)



i. Some dismiss this account of Nebuchadnezzar's madness as unhistorical, but there is no historical record of his governmental activity between 582 b.c. and 575 b.c. This silence is deafening, especially when we keep in mind how Near Eastern leaders liked to egotistically trumpet their achievements - and hide their embarrassments.



ii. "Although critics have imagined a series of incredible objections to accepting this chapter as authentic and reasonably accurate, the narrative actually reads very sensibly and the objections seem trivial and unsupported." (Walvoord)



iii. Nebuchadnezzar was given the opportunity to humble himself, and he did not. Now God humbled him, and the experience was much more severe than it would have been had Nebuchadnezzar humbled himself.

Sorry for digressing from census forms but some regard Daniel
chapter 4 as accurate.

some of us know the bible, some of us don't, and some of us couldn't care less having had it thrust down their throats when young.

I don't read religious posts.

I apologise if I have caused offence. Want me to withdraw, delete it? :-S

nope

I just don't read it.

But I believe it is something that everyone should be aware of.

Sorry Sylvain, What should we all be aware of - just curious?!

"Fools," said I, "You do not know.
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you.
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence."

Paul Simon

Many things have been inspired by Balthazar's feast but it is not a good way to interpret census forms.

magpie ............


I thought it was clear what I was saying, given the context

that people should be aware that others might not appreciate or like religious quotations, and that it might even give offence.

In fact, we should all be aware of how others might respond to what we say


You might well be offended by what I've just said ........ and for that I am sorry.

No, I'm not even remotely offended, but I can't see how anyone can be offended by religious quotes?! Irritated maybe, but I can't see how religious quotes can be offensive, particularly that one?! :-S

I said "might even be"

I did not say I was offended ............. in fact what I said was that I didn't even read them

do you want to parse every word of what I wrote?

The only connection I can see between the bible and census forms is all the 'begatting' that goes on in both :-)

http://www.lamblion.us/2008/08/those-boring-begats.html

But at least in the bible they weren't all called William ;-) (I have a surfeit of Williams)

( I think I may have just offended all of you by trying for a bit of levity :-) )

well, most of mine are called James :-)

and most of of OH's are called Cuthbert or Gilbert, and like wives called Elizabeth

...... now those male names sound more like Vikings or Normans but they do obviously understand the bible as they all have many children :-D

In my own defence.
I wasn't preaching or talking tosh
Simply using Daniel chapter 4 as an example
showing Nebuchadnezzar's affliction was recorded

I think David that you just have to accept that until relatively recently , very little was understood about mental illness, and people's reaction to it was reflected in the language that was used to cover a multitude of mental afflictions that we now have an understanding of, and because of that we have a completely different attitude to. In HenryV1th day it was often attributed to witchcraft, and a lot of poor souls were executed in the belief that they were responsible for another's affliction. The King was thought to have had a imbalance of humour in his head. All sorts of bizarre treatments were used obviously to no avail, and yes he was made quite aware that he was mad, as was George 111 !! In his case the terrible treatment at the hands of Francis Willis and his son made his condition very obvious!!
Luckily we now have a completely different approach to psychiatric illness, including a sympathetic attitude both by physicians and the population at large.