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From Belper to France in 1842
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AnninGlos | Report | 10 Mar 2016 17:35 |
Can anybody come up with a feasible suggestion as to why my Great Great grandfather abraham Allen and his wife and family should have gone to France from Belper, Derbyshire in 1842. He was a worker in the cotton Mill in Belper. Also how would he have travelled there? (rail/ship?) His son, my Great Grandfather was apparently born in France (British subject) in 1844. His wife returned in 1845 with the children but it seems Abraham didn't and probably died between 1842 and 1845 in France. |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:10 |
is this him? |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:12 |
Name Alfred Allen |
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AnninGlos | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:15 |
Yes that is him, I do have alll the birth info on him and Ellen then Ellen's second marriage when she returns (as widow on marriage cert). But he disappears into thin air when he 'goes to France' can't think why he would travel to France or why. |
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+++DetEcTive+++ | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:21 |
Have you tried research 'cotton industry in France" or similar? Although from a brief scan it doesn't seem likely, he might have gone to set up a Mill. |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:28 |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:33 |
a connection? |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:34 |
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Sharron | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:34 |
I think a look in the local papers might be a good idea. |
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**Ann** | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:41 |
Quickly scanning through posts from other sites..looks like there were lots of families from that area who travelled to Calais..in connection with the cotton workers and lace making/ all seem to be around 1838/1845 |
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AnninGlos | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:51 |
Thanks all, *Ann* that sounds most likely I think but I will look at the other suggestions. I do have all the family names etc, i don't want to waste people's time. |
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SuffolkVera | Report | 10 Mar 2016 18:54 |
Just a thought Ann, could he have gone to France to work on the railways? There was a railway law passed in France in1842 and that is when rail construction took off. Googling it, I came up with a chapter from a book which indicated that there were a lot of British workers employed on the Paris-Rouen line. I think construction on this started in 1842. Apparently the British workers were paid more than the French so money may have been an attraction. |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 10 Mar 2016 19:01 |
France remained primarily an agricultural country until way into the 20th century. Large new factory areas were concentrated in specific regions, above all in the north and east of the country. By 1830 there were three established cotton mill centres: around Rouen in Normandy, between Lille and Roubaix in the North, and the most modern in Alsace. In Mühlhausen this led to a highly efficient engineering industry which went on to export spinning machines and cotton looms to the whole of Europe. |
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AnninGlos | Report | 11 Mar 2016 13:52 |
Thanks all, it is actually my cousin who is trying this time to sort these two out so I am passing all information on to her. With all I had plus all you have contributed she has plenty to get her teeth into :-D Well she is younger than me and has more energy!! |
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Susan10146857 | Report | 11 Mar 2016 14:51 |
I remember doing all this with you years ago Ann Glos .....Funnily enough I was wondering if you had found anything new, just the other day. |
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AnninGlos | Report | 11 Mar 2016 15:11 |
Yes Susan I feel you know this family well and you did find a few twigs for me. No neither I or my cousin have been able to unravel the birth of Seth, the death of Abraham or the joining of the RM by seth. I had given up but cousin has got the bit between her teeth again so i had to sort through all my notes to give her a precis (which i know I have given her before Lol!!) |
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Susan10146857 | Report | 11 Mar 2016 19:49 |
Have you thought to find out if there are any documents relating to the Cotton mill?...just a thought |
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AnninGlos | Report | 11 Mar 2016 20:18 |
No I wouldn't know where to start. I do have the Strutts school register for that time. |
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