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No I wouldn't know where to start. I do have the Strutts school register for that time.

Have you thought to find out if there are any documents relating to the Cotton mill?...just a thought

Yes Susan I feel you know this family well and you did find a few twigs for me. No neither I or my cousin have been able to unravel the birth of Seth, the death of Abraham or the joining of the RM by seth. I had given up but cousin has got the bit between her teeth again so i had to sort through all my notes to give her a precis (which i know I have given her before Lol!!)

I remember doing all this with you years ago Ann Glos .....Funnily enough I was wondering if you had found anything new, just the other day.

Thanks all, it is actually my cousin who is trying this time to sort these two out so I am passing all information on to her. With all I had plus all you have contributed she has plenty to get her teeth into :-D Well she is younger than me and has more energy!!

France remained primarily an agricultural country until way into the 20th century. Large new factory areas were concentrated in specific regions, above all in the north and east of the country. By 1830 there were three established cotton mill centres: around Rouen in Normandy, between Lille and Roubaix in the North, and the most modern in Alsace. In Mühlhausen this led to a highly efficient engineering industry which went on to export spinning machines and cotton looms to the whole of Europe.


Industrial History | France - ERIH

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Industrial History | France. ... By 1830 there were three established cotton mill centres: ... For several generations the industry there was dominated by the De ...

Just a thought Ann, could he have gone to France to work on the railways? There was a railway law passed in France in1842 and that is when rail construction took off. Googling it, I came up with a chapter from a book which indicated that there were a lot of British workers employed on the Paris-Rouen line. I think construction on this started in 1842. Apparently the British workers were paid more than the French so money may have been an attraction.

Thanks all, *Ann* that sounds most likely I think but I will look at the other suggestions. I do have all the family names etc, i don't want to waste people's time.

AnnC there are a lot of Allen families in the area. Abraham is the son of Thomas Allen I think, but I really am only concerned as to why he went to France and also wondered how he got there. I will look at that site you suggest tomorrow, I have not revisited this family for a few years so there may be new info.

Yes Sharron, there was trouble at mill in thise years.

Forgive me for not replying, I won't be on much now until tomorrow, just about to have a meal.

Quickly scanning through posts from other sites..looks like there were lots of families from that area who travelled to Calais..in connection with the cotton workers and lace making/ all seem to be around 1838/1845

I think a look in the local papers might be a good idea.

How about court records?

It looks like mechanization came to Belper about 1850 so there is a possibility of some sort of reaction in the preceding years, as there had been earlier in other manufacturing areas and they were all sorts of private acts of parliament making machine breaking a capital offence.

Duffield Genealogy Resources & Parish Registers |...

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Derbyshire » Duffield; ... and includes obituaries of those who died in late 1847 ... II. hearing that the territories of the King of France were invaded by the ...

a connection?

ALLEN family of Belper Derbyshire.
Can anybody tell me about the family of John Allen who was convicted at the Derby Assizes in July 1843 and transported to Norfolk Island. He was born in Belper in about 1820. His parents were Samuel Allen and Mary Elliott.

Belper Varney's - Ancestry.com

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born Duffield, Derbyshire, England: ... Abraham: born 21 May 1818, Belper, Derbyshire, ... WW2 France: VARNEY, Arthur: born 1868: died 1868:

Have you tried research 'cotton industry in France" or similar? Although from a brief scan it doesn't seem likely, he might have gone to set up a Mill.

Yes that is him, I do have alll the birth info on him and Ellen then Ellen's second marriage when she returns (as widow on marriage cert). But he disappears into thin air when he 'goes to France' can't think why he would travel to France or why.

Name Alfred Allen
Gender Male
Christening Date Dec 1828
Christening Place PRIMITIVE METHODIST,BELPER,DERBY,ENGLAND
Birth Date 20 Nov 1828
Father's Name Abrham Allen
Mother's Name Helen Nightingale

is this him?



Abraham Allen

mentioned in the record of Abraham Allen and Ellen Nightingale

Name Abraham Allen
Spouse's Name Ellen Nightingale
Event Date 23 Mar 1828
Event Place Duffield,Derby,England

Can anybody come up with a feasible suggestion as to why my Great Great grandfather abraham Allen and his wife and family should have gone to France from Belper, Derbyshire in 1842. He was a worker in the cotton Mill in Belper. Also how would he have travelled there? (rail/ship?) His son, my Great Grandfather was apparently born in France (British subject) in 1844. His wife returned in 1845 with the children but it seems Abraham didn't and probably died between 1842 and 1845 in France.

There are several brick walls amongst these two but I can't imagine why he would have wanted to go to France except that, as Ellen, his wife gave as her reason for being in the workhouse in 1842 as husband absconded. Shortly after that she left for France. I realise it is possible he was escaping from the law but wondered if there would be any other reason for a mill worker to travel to France.