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What did you all think

I myself would of preferred Piers Morgan to do the interview ;-) ;-)

Missed it. When was that on please?

It was on loose woman a few minutes ago
it will be on catch up :-D

I have just recorded it now. Started 1.30pm on Ch 33. Will watch later. Thanks.

Its quite interesting to be honest :-D :-D

we're all going on a summer holiday
we're all going to where the sky is blue

with Boris and his big red Bus

http://www.last.fm/music/Johnny+Nash/_/There+Are+More+Questions+Than+Answers

I've read 2 interviews with him online ........... it's horrifying what he went through.

I laughed when I read the story about the guy who claimed CR had assaulted him twice within a couple of hours ......... with CR roller skating in the shop, groping, skating out, then returning on his roller skates and repeating the actions! Most roller skaters I know would have fallen if any one gave them the slightest push!

The South Yorkshire Police seem to have ignored all rules of behaviour right from the get go ...............

and yes, we did see the BBC programme where they reported "live" on the police raid on his house. We saw it that evening on BBC World.

Until someone - anyone - is actually charged with rape, their names shouldn't be published.

But Maggie
They do it so other victims can come forward :-D :-D

Every victim may think its only happened to them :-D :-D

maggie ......

I agree

CR said in one of the interviews that I read, that he felt he "had been hung out to dry", for anyone to see the first accusation, and come forward with more.

We've had so many cases here, not with celebrities, but with ordinary folk such as high school teachers who have been accused of sexual assault, and then found innocent 1 or 2 years later ........ after it has become evident that someone lied (eg, he didn't give a pupil a high enough mark in her final exam :-\ ), or for money.

We knew personally one female who filed charges, and was later found to be a multiple filer of such charges ......... she had a mental condition.

Of course, there are those that are guilty, and they should be punished, but the ones that are innocent have lost even more .............. schools have to be told as soon as a charge is made against a teacher, they lose their jobs and their certificates


and there is always that "thought" among some people that there must have been "something there".

They never get their old life back

Surely victims know to report it!!

I'm also dubious about some 'historical' victims - I'm not talking about rape here, but historical sexual assault cases.
In the 1970's, I didn't 'go with it' - but it seems the groping of women was commonplace, and a 'bit of a laugh' - you just have to listen to comedians of the time, and the 'Doctor' comedy programmes, yet this is now considered sexual assault.
Should we compare today's morals and ideals to those of 40 years ago, and punish those who were 'going with the flow' of the times?

My own personal response to these unwanted 'advances' tended to be a slap on the face or a knee in the groin. I never had to resort to my dad's advice - 'pull then twist'.
Can I look forward to being accused of common assault?

I think there should be a time limit on reporting such alleged crimes. The time limit has to be long enough for a child to become an adult, so say 20/25 years, but some of these crimes are reported after 30/40/50 years and I really can't see why anyone would wait that long.

I think Cliff Richard has been treated terribly and I think the police and the BBC has a lot to answer for.

Kath. x

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My own personal response to these unwanted 'advances' tended to be a slap on the face or a knee in the groin. I never had to resort to my dad's advice - 'pull then twist'.
Can I look forward to being accused of common assault?

Maggie your a Woman who thinks the same as me on this point
I start by saying If your joking maybe we can still be friends
And if they don't back of I Knut them

I came across a flasher on the Bridge to the hospital
It was him that ran off crying
When I laughed at his tiny Parts :-D :-D :-D

Joy :-D :-D :-D

I was once racially abused.
Walking home one night, leather coat, thick black tights, huge afro hair.
I felt a blow to the back of my head,(thankfully cushioned by my afro) told to 'go back home n*****', then this numpty on a bike turned to spit in my face, realised his mistake, and fell off.
Well, I, in my platforms, rushed forward to........
put my foot on his head, and inform him, I was on my way home, when some a***hole hit me on the head, and fell off his bike (also, no lights - against the law of this fine British Isle).

I was now demanding an apology from said plank and a promise he would never do it again, to anyone, or I'd set 'the boys' on him - oh and who the hell did he think he was anyway? :-D :-D :-D

I started to feel a bit sorry for him, as, by now he was a quivering wreck.
Funny how perpetrators of nastiness can't take their own medicine :-D

A proviso to my views - those who are abused as young children - I agree with Kathleen.

Sylvia, I know someone who came across an extremely drunk young woman.
He took her home, for safety, and for her to sleep it off.
She accused him of rape - his name was all over the papers.
The case fell apart.
Why?
In the morning, she was fully clothed - and still wearing tights!!
Absolutely no DNA evidence - nothing.
Yet he was still regarded as a 'potential rapist' - when all he'd done was to look after this (now scum) woman.

Women who falsely claim rape should be named and shamed - not only are they scum, and ruining the lives of innocent men they're making it harder for survivors of abuse/rape to report it.

Some victims cannot find the strength to report an assault at the time or indeed for years or decades.

Should they just be ignored? You cannot put a time limit on accusations nor investigations, neither should we conclude there is no case to answer when the police are asked to investigate and state that finding. Recent history has proved that sadly. Far too late for the victims when the abuser is dead.

it is a conundrum ...............

but I do think that the public naming of someone accused BEFORE any evidence has been found or charges been laid is wrong ................

there has to be some way that wrongful accusations can be determined, without an "accused" but innocent person's life being destroyed.

Cliff Richards' was particularly egregious, and wrong, on the part of the police and the BBC, IMHO

We sat here open-mouthed watching that "breaking news item"

Agrees with Sue Victims dont always have the courage to come forward

As I said .................. it is a conundrum


The false accusation that leads to a person's life being destroyed vs the right of a victim to make a true allegation.

I know that if I were a victim, I would probably remember (or recover the memory of) what happened 40 or 50 years ago, but I couldn't give you details of an event that happened that length of time ago ................ and that is what the accused faces.

53 years ago on this approximate date, I walked across a stage in a theatre in Liverpool to get my degree, and 1 year later, on this approximate date, I walked across that same stage to get another degree.

All I can remember of those 2 events is that I nearly missed the first one because brother drove us there and he was always late for everything. I literally made it into my seat with 30 seconds to spare!

I have no intention to dismiss the memories or the fear of a true victim ................ but there has to be a way for a falsely accused person to not be smeared for life.