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The Act overlooked four other capital offences: high treason, "piracy with violence" (piracy with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm), arson in royal dockyards and espionage, as well as other capital offences under military law. The death penalty was not finally abolished in the United Kingdom until 1998 by the Human Rights Act and the Crime and Disorder Act. However the last executions in the United Kingdom were in 1964, for murder.

That was for murder.

The death penalty was not abolished but was abolished as a punishment for murder.

The Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It abolished the death penalty for murder in Great Britain (the death penalty for murder survived in Northern Ireland until 1973). The Act replaced the penalty of death with a mandatory sentence of imprisonment for life.

The Act was introduced to Parliament as a private member's bill by Sydney Silverman MP. The Act provides that charges of capital murder at the time it was passed were to be treated as charges of simple murder and all sentences of death were to be commuted to sentences of life imprisonment. The legislation contained a sunset clause, which stated that the Act would expire on July 31st 1970 "unless Parliament by affirmative resolutions of both Houses otherwise determines".[3] This was done in 1969 and the Act was made permanent.

I always thought the death penalty was abolished in Northern Ireland (I believe, part of the UK, not a Crown Territory) in 1973.

There are many who think lighting and smoking a cigarette while driving makes a driver a liability, so using a mobile phone all the more so.

I was talking to somebody down a lane at home. i was in the car and noticed a pick-up pull up behind me and the driver climbing out and walking round the back. When he went past me I noted his registration number because he had forgotten to take his caravan chassis with him.

Imagine fly tipping when there was somebody watching you!

I'm all for that - name and shame - stick it on youtube!!!

I do believe other 'anti-social' crimes are entirely relevant, well at least somewhat more than the death penalty lololol

Until the punishment fits the crime, and that goes for all categories, people will never stop taking the risk of being caught.

Those friends who are on here as well as FB know how we dealt with a fly tipper a few months ago.

Within half an hour of me posting a photo the offending sofa on social media the item became a 'magical homing sofa' and returned outside it's legal owners house :-D

I informed the council of our actions and when they visited a few days later they said they couldn't condone what we had done but was smirking when they said it.
The owner then had to arrange to remove it legally as everyone was watching.

A combination of peer pressure and heavier penalties WILL make a difference as will publishing the offender's name in the local rag and on the local police web site.

Don't think so. I think you have just read all that.

No, I said that, quite correctly.

Sharon has not been on here at all today.

I have other things to do on a Sunday such as lunch.

Being a teenager at the time I vividly remember the hot issue of "the A6 murders" in 1962 which led to the very controversial execution of James Henratty. This execution definitely made a big difference to the vote to cease capital punishment in the UK. As it happens Henratty was probably guilty according to inquests which were able to use preserved DNA evnidence.

Some things stick in the mind and this is one of them I only googled to get the exact dates given that Sharon boldy asserted that the dealth penalty had not been repealed ("no" ).

Ignorance is bliss.

Took you a long time to find that on Google.

yes, the death penalty was was still on the books but in view of the general agreement (by lawyers) that the jurisprudence which led to the execution of William Joyce was wrong wildly unlikely to be enacted., The exception was part of the 1965 Act.

Various Crown territories maintained the death penalty after it was repealed in the UK with the Privy Council handing down decisions which were always commuted. Eventually the Crown was successful in forcing a change throuighout its jurisdiction including the stand out resistance of the Isle of Man and Jamaica. Jamaica, no longer a Crown territory, has restored the death penalty for aggravated murder. However the UKGovt has obtainbed an assurance that it would not be used on Jamaican criminal deportees who will be housed in the spiffing new prison which UKGov is shelling out for.

Just where and what Sharon is talking about I know not and prefer not to guess..
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Wasn't it still in effect until 1990's for treason??? ;-)

No.

this one you mean ?

The Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965 came into effect on 9 November 1965.

The death penalty for capital murder in England, Scotland and Wales was suspended for a period of five years, and the 16 men who were under sentence of death at the time were reprieved.

The 1965 Act’s long title is:
‘An Act to abolish capital punishment in the case of persons convicted in Great Britain of murder or convicted of murder or a corresponding offence by court martial and, in connection therewith to make further provision for the punishment of persons so convicted.'

My gt uncle was convicted of drunk driving iduring the 1930s and despite the general leniancy in the day for driving offences he got 6 months. Nobody was injured but damage to property considerable. Though this was the hey day of the death penalty the prosecution never considered it. Yes, he did reform and was never in trouble again.

The death penalty was not abolished in 1965.

"not for me"

so your legal system would look like this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mnnQfYeCRY

In the UK the death penalty (by hanging) was abolished in 1965.

In 2011 the Eu blocked the export to the USA of drugs need for lethal injections subsequently tightening them up. After several years in a legal gray zone in 2016 Pfiezer US refused to supply any such drugs effectively putting an end to death penalty by lethal injection in the USA.

By all means propose a radical solution but try and keep it outside of the twilight zone.

My best guess is that until the level of "unexplained" fatal single vehicle accidents and mega lethal accidents rises further nothing much will change. As the cohort of (mostly) non uising whle drivng wrinklies shuffle off to be replaced by millenials the problem will get worse.

[ update: maybe diriving itself will be banned except for police etc and everyone else will have to use Google/Apple robot vehicles or use Uber. ]

Back in the 60s and 70s the report of a guy killed by drink driving was regarded as "just bad luck" "could have happened to anyone" and 4 pints remained a typical intake. That has mostly gone.

How long it will take people to stop dangerous stuff such as phones while driving, drugs while driving home at 2am is anybody's guess but not soon. The logic of spending time and money at the gym only to die while snapchatting is perfectly perverse,

we had a shelf of dead phones in our old club...........if it went of while a detail was in progress.........the phone was lined up.........and shot.

not for me :-D