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Yes that is the two cousins called Walker Butterworth. I have actually got both of the copies. I thought it was an error in the records at Summerset House because they were the last two on a page. Priscilla was able to sign her name. To think that they both went to register births on the same day, at the same time and used the same name. Thanks for you help. This site is so helpful x
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Early to mid C19 passports were not issued in the same way as today with unrestricted travel options. Rather they were issued for specific missions and journeys with details in the passport document. Quite a few of these survive and are held by the holder's descendents / traded on document collector sites. The Foreign office has records of the grants of passports which often have enough info. to id the person ( it will have stuff such as peer of the realm, naval officer, trader, destination etc ). Whether these are in the public domain and if so how to obtain access I know not. Given that few people would have held passports and their reasons would often have been opaque I doubt the FCO would be keen on release even after all this time. A good place to start might be on specialist history buff sites rather than F.H.

Shipping lines generally did not record passport details.

Charles I'm sure I read was repremanded for stealing 3 gold watches.

That must be 'the other' Walker.

Barbara's Walker Butterworth only had 2 boys as per census - Charles (named after Walker's father Charles?) & Walker Jnr.

Marriage Aug 1858,St Marys Birkenhead.

Emily Mary eldest daughter of Walker Butterworth Esq of Hamilton Sq Birkenhead formally of Staylebridge..
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one Walker Butterworth was a Freemason.

Barbara - you're not alone having problems with Walker Butterworth

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=421868.0

"I have two birth certificates for Walker Butterworth. ::)
The first was born on 2nd August 1857, Bury Street, Heywood, to Thomas Butterworth c1829 and Hannah Howe c1832. Thomas was an innkeeper.
The second was born 25th August 1857, Bury Road, Heywood, to Walker Butterworth c1833 and Priscilla Howarth c1832. Walker was a stone mason.
Both were registered on 10th September 1857, one straight after the other,and the registrar was Samuel Wolstenholme.
It is believed that Thomas and Walker were brothers, sons of Charles Butterworth c1802-c1834, and Betty Briggs c1801, and both named their sons Walker."

Unfortunately, Walker Butterworth is a more common name than you'd think.

Ancestry's version of the 1871 probate

Walker Butterworth
Death Date: 17 Mar 1871
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 4 May 1871
Registry: Liverpool, England

Formerly of Birkenhead, late of Cheshire – Merchant.
Executors son, Wellington Cotton Butterworth, Oil Broker & Elias Gaskell, Merchant. Under £300

Considering his occupation, if could be that a number of the Freemasonry or newspaper articles relate to him.

To add more confusion my Walker Butterworth born 1857 to Priscilla had a cousin who lived across the road. Both born within days of one another. Both registered on the same day...Both called Walker. x

Doc True
FREEMASONRY.
FREEMASONRY.
; Rt. Wrigley, P.P.LG. ; and Brother Kenworthy, P.P. G.Stewd., Chester- Brother Ford presided as S.W., and Brother Walker Butterworth, P.G.D. of C. Ches., J.W. On the raised platform, Brothers Oldham. Nuttall, Cartwright, and Rowbottom, glee singers
12 October 1839 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Ad.

Walker Butterworths name appears in many issues of Lancs.

Could this be relevant? :-

Index to Death Duty Registers Transcription
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First name(s) Walker
Last name Butterworth
Death year 1871
Residence SOUTHPORT
County -
Court Court Of Probate
Record set Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
National Archives reference IR27/376
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain

EDiT - probably not as this could be the above person's death:-

First name(s) WALKER
Last name BUTTERWORTH
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1813
Age 58
Death quarter 1
Death year 1871
District ORMSKIRK
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 757
Country England

Don't think I am helping here - I'm a bit too tired. Time for bed I think.

Kath. x

My mistake. I should have read through the thread more thoroughly!!

Kath. x

Shouldn't think so Kath. Assuming Barbara's research is correct, he married Priscilla on 28 Mar 1854

This is the baptism for Walker Jr who Barbara already knows about

Walker Butterworth
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1857
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1857
Parish: Heywood, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: Bury
Father's name: Walker Butterworth
Mother's name: Priscilla Butterworth
Reference Number: GB127.L88/1/2/4

so we should assume that Walker Snr disappeared sometime between Nov/Dec 1856 & 1861

Is this death a possible? :-

First name(s) WALKER
Last name BUTTERWORTH
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1852
District OLDHAM
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 421
Country England

It's less than 10 miles from Heywood to Oldham.

Kath. x

Quite a few trees have this record attached for a *John* Walt Butterworth

Jno Walt Butterworth
Birth Year abt 1833
Age 76
Death Place Footscray, Victoria
Father's Name Butterworth Chas <<<<
Mother's Name Elizth Briggs
Registration Year 1909
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Number 12491

with an dod of ABT 12 DEC 1909 • Footscray, Victoria
This particular gentleman was alleged to have been born in England, and married in 1866

Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Margaret Goonan
Spouse Name John Walker Butterworth
Marriage Place Victoria
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Year 1866
Registration Number 2699

Unless this is a different branch you are already aware of, don't rule out a bigamous marriage.

A tree on Ancestry (possibly yours?) has the following attached to Priscilla's profile

1861 census
Priscilla Butterworth
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Heap, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Heap
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Heywood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 2841
Folio: 94
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Priscilla Butterworth 28
Charles Butterworth 5
Walker Butterworth 3

The image says that she is the head of the household, but is married

1871
Princella Butterworth
[Priscilla Butterworth]
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Heywood, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury and Heap
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Heywood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 258
Piece: 3950
Folio: 81
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Princella Butterworth 38
Charles Butterworth 15
Walker Butterworth 13

Still head, but declares herself as widowed.
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Also attached is a copy of the MC to Walker Butterworth.
28 Mar 1854 - Walker is a Stonemason as is his father Charles.

They also have a death date for Walker - 4 APR 1857 but no supporting record.
As she was married in 1861 but widowed by 1871, it does suggest that she had been abandoned during those years, & that the dod is incorrect. If Walker had died in 1857 and she was aware of it, she wouldn't have said she was still married

PM's received from Barbara

Thanks it was just a hope. I have the gentleman involved disappearing about 1860. Then blow me his son upped and left England 1905. I have managed to trace the second gentleman, even his second marriage. Just forgot about the one in England 20 years early.
Thanks again for you help. xx
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The two gentlemen involved are father and son. Both are called Walker Butterworth, both born in Heywood Lancashire. The first one was born about 1833. He married a Priscilla Howarth and up to the 1851 census he was in Heywood..then disappeared. The second Walker I have been able to trace most of his life after Heywood. Many thanks
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So you only need info after 1851 for Walter Butterworth c1833.

Please post your responses on the thread, not by PM to individual posters. Team work often has better results than individuals researching independently

Available passenger lists that early don't tend to have passport numbers on them. As it is, they tend to be searchable only by name, not by document number. Cross Channel or Irish Sea lists don't have high survival rates, if at all.
So no, the PP nos aren't going to be very helpful.

I have got a list which has the name of the traveler, the date issued and the passport number. Can this information be used to find out any more details IE where they have traveled ? The date is 1860. many thanks Barbara