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Hi,
I'm new to this and i was wondering if someone could tell me how i find my great great grand parents or how i would get a copy of there marriage certificate.I know his name and where he lived from my great grandads marriage certificate but thats about all they come from up north Newcastle./ Sunderland. Any info would be of a great help.
Thank you in advance'
Kind Regards
Julie Thorpe.

Hi Julie
If you give us their names and bith years, also your Granddads
birth year, I'm sure we could point you in the right direction.
Have you searched the GRO records ?

Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk
Ann

Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk

Thank you Rollo
My mistake
https://familysearch.org
Is also a free site.

If you want any help in locating info then some names ,area and approx years would help the search

HI Julie,

if you have your great great grandads's name and possibly occupation from the marriage cert, and your great grandad's name, approximate birth year and location, you or helpers on the board (if you post the details), can use the information to look for them together on online censuses for instance, to get more details for your great great grandparents, as well as looking on sites, free or otherwise, for parish records etc.

As others have said, we'd love to help if you have some details, or if you get stuck after searching yourself on the free sites mentioned in the thread. :-)

Thank you you all so kind.My grandad was Ralph Hill 1911-1997 he married Mary Stonehouse in Borehamwood hertfordshire.my nan comes from Sunderland and my granda comes from Newcastle most of his family was born inwillingtonn quad Northumberland.Sometimes it says Durham south shields. My granda dad was also called Ralph Hill 1883-1936 He married Martha Jobling (born 15th March 1888) on 4th June 1901 St Paul's church, Jarrow, County Durham.Ralph Hill dad was John William Hill he was a blacksmith,Ralph hills marriage certificate say's he lived at 65,Markton Terrace if I've read it right. Also I have just played £11 something to access Parish records ,Where do I find the Parish records ? Can someone direct me in the right place please.I am very greatful for any help you can give me. I think I need a lesson in how to use the site.
Thank you again.
Julie

Ralph Hill

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
Search Photos: Search for 'Wallsend' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 58 Palmers Terrace
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 30729
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Hill 28, born Willington Quay, Northumberland
Martha Hill 28. born S. Shields, Durham, married 9 years, 5 children born, 2 had died
Isabella E Hill 9, born Willington Quay
Thomas Hill 4, born N. Shields, Northumberland
Ralph Hill Under 1/12, born Willington Quay
Margaret A Adamson 43, sister-in-law, married, born Howdon, Northumbrtland

Ralph Hill

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Ellen R Hill
Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Willington
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Willington Quay
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4798
Folio: 65
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen R Hill 51, widow
John Hill 22
Robert Hill 20
Ralph Hill 18
Eleanor Hill 16
Thomas Hill 14
Mary A R Hill 10
John W Hill 5, grandson

All born Willington Quay except mother born Howdon, Northumberland.

Ralph Hill

in the 1891 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Hill
Mother's name: Ellen Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Willington Quay
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4222
Folio: 48
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hill 48
Ellen Hill 41
Elizabeth Hill 14
John Hill 12
Robert Hill 10
Ralph Hill 8
Elleanor Hill 6
Tom Hill 4
Mary A Hill 1/12

Another transcript of the 1891 census Margaret posted, showing that John Hill was a blacksmith, so it looks likely Margaret has found the right family. I used FMP aka FIndMyPast , a subscription site, to find this census information.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Boundry Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 48 1843 Blacksmith Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Howdon Pans, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
John Hill Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Robert Hill Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Ralph Hill Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England <<<
Eleanor Hill Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Tom Hill Son - Male 4 1887 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Mary A Hill Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England


The 1881 census for the same family gives John's birthplace as newcastle on Tyne, c1843.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
54, Nelson Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 38 1843 Engine Smith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Howdon, Northumberland, England<<<<
Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
John Hill Son Single Male 2 1879 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Robert Hill Son Single Male 0 1881 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Mary Ramshaw Mother In Law Widow Female 66 1815 - Walker, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<<<<

Given the name of John's mother in law, Mary Ramshaw, in the 1881 census, I would propose this potential marriage from FreeBMD instead of the one Margaret suggested. Remember the 1881 census showed John to have been born in Newcastle upon Tyne.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Dec 1874
Hill John Newcastle T. 10b 152<<<<<<<<<<<
Pape Isabella Stephenson Newcastle T. 10b 152
Ramshaw Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 152 <<<<<<<<<<<
Usher John Newcastle T. 10b 152

EDIT: A search at the GRO site would seem to confirm this maiden name of Ramshaw for Ralph's mother:

HILL, RALPH RAMSHAW <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 157

(as Margaret said, Tynemouth R D covers Willington Quay, where the census says Ralph was born)

So it looks like Ralph's mother is Ellen Ramshaw, who according to the 1881 census, was born c1850 Howdon Northumberland, or in the 1891 census Howdon Pans Northumberland.

This gives you more information to search for John and Ellen in their youth, with their parents, siblings etc.

have run out of lunch hour, so bye for now! :-)

I agree, Kucinta, I jumped the gun on that one. Will delete it so as not to cause confusion.

Margaret - if not for finding mother in law, I would have heartily agreed with you that the Tynemouth marriage was very likely, as looked good on location, and timing in relation to the birth of the children.

Also Ma in law Mary Ramshaw might have been married and widowed more than once, and thus might still have been the mother of the bride you suggested - it took Ralph's birth ref with MMN Ramshaw to make me feel confident I did have the right marriage.

(and yes, I should be working :-( )

This looks like Ellen Ramshaw with parents in census 1861.

Note Ellen is born Howdon c1850, as per Ellen Hill in census 1881 and 1891 already posted.

Mother is named Mary, and born c1811 Walker Northumberland - remember John Hill's mother in law was widowed Mary Ramshaw born c1815 Walker Northumberland (maybe she knocked a few years off her age) according to census 1881.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Globe Square, Howdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Thomas Ramshaw Head Married Male 49 1812 Shipwrights Howdon, Northumberland, England
Mary Ramshaw Wife Married Female 50 1811 - Walker, Northumberland, England
Mary Ramshaw Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Scholar Walker, Northumberland, England
John Ramshaw Son - Male 13 1848 Labourer Howdon, Northumberland, England
Ellen Ramshaw Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Howdon, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<

Same family in the previous census of 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Willington Quay, Tynemouth Union, Northumberland, England

Thomas Ramshaw Head Married Male 39 1812 Shipwright Howdon, Northumberland, England
Mary Ramshaw Wife Married Female 36 1815 Domestic At Home Howdon, Northumberland, England
Isabella Hedley Ramshaw Daughter-In-Law - Female 14 1837 Out Door Labourer Felling, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<
Robt Hedley Son-In-Law - Male 12 1839 Home Howdon, Northumberland, England
Mary A Ramshaw Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Howdon, Northumberland, England
Ann Ramshaw Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Howdon, Northumberland, England
John Ramshaw Son - Male 2 1849 - Howdon, Northumberland, England
Elloner Ramshaw Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Howdon, Northumberland, England

Note 14 yr old daughter in law Isabella Hedley Ramshaw. At this time 'daughter in law' was often used where we would say 'step daughter'.

I suspect Isabella was Mary's daughter by a previous marriage, and this is her marriage as a widow to Thomas:

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Ramshaw
Sex Male
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 13 Dec 1842
Place South Shields
Description St. Hilda
Spouse first name(s) Mary<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse last name Hedley<<<<<<<<
Groom's first name(s) Thomas<<<<<<<
Groom's last name Ramshaw<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Mary
Bride's last name Hedley
Bride's parish -
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

You could, of course, get John and Ellen's marriage cert if you wanted to be sure of the names of their respective fathers.

This seems like a possible birth for John William Hill, we know he was born c1843 Newcastle, from the census entries already posted.

His mother's maiden name is given as Sharp.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HILL, JOHN WILLIAM SHARP <<<<<<<<<<<
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 366

I found this Hill-Sharp marriage:

First name(s) John<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last name Hill<<<<<<<<<<l
Sex Male
Marriage year 1827
Marriage date 28 Jul 1827
Place Hexham
Description St. Andrew Aka Abbey
Spouse first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse last name Sharp
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name Hill
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's last name Sharp<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's parish -
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

and I believe this is the couple, John and Elizabeth, with a son called John born c1843, in census 1851.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census T
So Buckingham Street, Westgate St Johns, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 44 1807 Shoemaker -
Elizabeth Hill Wife Married Female 48 1803 - Hexham, Northumberland, England
Ralph Hill Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Shoemaker Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
John H Hill Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

I think John H, is probably actually John W mistranscribed either from the census image, or from the original householder's return.

John senior's birthplace is given as Durham City on the census image. Note wife Elizabeth is born Hexham, where the marriage of John Hill and Elizabeth Sharp took place.

The same family in census 1861, now John jr, is a blacksmith...so a good match for John William

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Buckingham Street, Westgate, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 55 1806 Shoemaker Durham, England
Elizabeth Hill Wife Married Female 57 1804 - Northumberland, England
Ralph H Hill Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Shoemaker Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
John Hill Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Blacksmith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<<

Hi Julie :-)

I'm not the expert, that the others posting here are, but it has crossed my mind ....

.... when you asked about the Parish Records that you paid for ... are you talking about the Genes Reunited Subscription?

I am probably one of the few that uses the GR Records! :-D

What kind of GR Sub do you have? Do you have Platinum with the Parish Records added on as an extra?


This is what you do to access GR's Parish Records (and other records)

At the Right Hand top of any GR page click on SEARCH...
A list of categories will appear.
You could chose "Search All Records" ... or "Births" for example.
You put in the details of the person who's record you are looking for and click "Search Now"

Boxes will appear with the number of results in each category.
eg.. Births Deaths and Marriages .... ANY PARISH RECORDS AVAILABLE ON GR WILL BE IN THIS SECTION.


I would also advise you to save any records you find to your computer, as once your subs (or credits on a Standard Sub) run out, you will not be able to view them again on GR without paying again.

Re the maiden name of Ellen Ramshaw's mother Mary, who I believe married a Mr Hedley before she married Thomas Ramshaw...

I'm wondering if Ellen was born Eleanor ( that might be why she is Ellen R Hill in the 1901 census):

RAMSHAW, ELEANOR READHEAD Order
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 517

I looked for a birth ref for brother John, born c1848 according to census 1851.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RAMSHAW, JOHN READHEAD Order
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 442

Also sister Mary A. born c1844 according to census 1851

I didn't find a mother named Readhead or variant, but one named Hedley:

RAMSHAW, MARY ANN HEDLEY
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 444

So I looked for the marriage of a woman named Mary Readhead or similar, to a man surnamed Hedley and found this:

First name(s) Mary
Last name Redhead
Sex Female
Marriage year 1836
Marriage date 09 May 1836
Place Newcastle
Description St. John
Spouse first name(s) William<<<<<<
Spouse last name Hedley<<<<<<<
Groom's first name(s) William
Groom's last name Hedley
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Mary<<<<
Bride's last name Redhead<<<<<<<<
Bride's parish -
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

I found Mary Hedley with daur Isabella from census 1851(Isabella Hedley Ramshaw) in census 1841, but no sign of her husband:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Glass House Lane, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Mary Hedley Female 29 1812 Northumberland, England
Isabella Hedley Female 4 1837 Northumberland, England
Robert Hedley Male 2 1839 Northumberland, England
Thos Barrett Male 25 1816 Northumberland, England

There is this death for a 30 yr old William Hedley registered in the first qtr of 1841.:

HEDLEY, WILLIAM 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON LYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 244

EDIT: Found baptism for Eleanor on family search:

England Births and Christenings
Name Eleanor Ramshaw
Gender Female
Birth Date 11 Dec 1849
Birthplace St. Peter's, Wallsend, Northumberland, England
Father's Name Thomas Ramshaw<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Name Mary<<<<<<<<<<<

Wow!! You lot are amazing,I cant thank you enough,Its so exciting. how do you find out so much in such a short time? I'm just trying to get my head round it all. What is the best site to use? How far can a person go back? Can I get copies of all marriage certificates? I have so much to learn. Wish they did classes to teach us how to use the site. How do I save what I find Jemimafawr?.
Thank you all so much for your help finding my Great grand parents and family.
Julie.