General Chat

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I remember a paediatrician having to be taken from an estate once because some righteousness fueled mob had besieged her house.

We had one round here
His windows went in a couple of times
and He got moved out at 2am one night by the Police :-D

Living in a village for a long time - you know who to avoid.
It's nice the village didn't blame the whole family for the actions of one.

I moved around a lot as a child, but sort of 'knew' who to avoid, or when someone's actions weren't 'quite right', but then, despite being extremely small for my age, and therefore vulnerable looking - I wasn't a vulnerable child.
I think my mother would describe me as somewhat bolshie.

It's the vulnerable who these 'people' prey on.
Yes, their parents may have made them vulnerable, but that doesn't mean they should be 'easy prey' for self-serving adults who think it's their 'right' to get sexual satisfaction any way they fancy.
Strikes me bestiality is thought of as a worse crime than child abuse.

Vulnerable children need to be protected - they have the right to a full and innocent childhood without the interference of perverted adults.

There were paedophiles in the village when I was growing up. We knew who they were and we kept away from them. All of us knew not to go with Roy to see any horses anywhere. He lived in the village until he died and I got on very well with him, most did, because we had known the problem and kept away from it.

Likewise Dave who worked on the lorries with Fred. I would sometimes go to work with Fred and would be in the cabs with the drivers but I did not go in Dave's cab.

In the days before it was the big deal it is now, the primary school caretaker, who had always been a bit creepy and touchy, was found to have been having an 'affair' with an eight year old (I don't know what he was doing) and he was given a suspended sentence because of his age and health.

His family were worse affected than was he and they were terrified that their windows would be put in. Their door was banged a lot that night but every one was somebody coming to offer the family, not the old man, their support.

We'd all agree that the children featured in the photos/videos are being abused & that the 'trade' in images should be shut down. Easier said than done.
Would a voyeur go on to act out what he or she had seen? You could ask the same of those who view (consensual) adult porn.

Can they be 'reformed'? Some may be able to compartmentalise their 'fantasy' from real life, but it's still there. Treatment may help them to accept that it's 'wrong' but they can't unsee what they've seen. Put temptation in their way and they may reoffend. They'd need a strong support system around them to allow them to talk about their urges if they reoccurred. "You're disgusting. Go away" is likely to push them towards the only people who understand, and possibly approve of, their addiction - other addicts.

It's been mentioned that children learn from their parents. I know of one such case.
A young boy came from a dysfunctional family. He had ADHD, his younger brother was on the Autistic Spectrum & his mother was a drug user.
His biological father abused him. The boy would not 'engage' with counselling professionals. He'd put his fingers in his ears & sing.
On entering puberty, he began to turn his attention to his younger brother. Initially the support agencies suggested that a lock was put on his brother's bedroom door.
Eventually the family were split & taken into foster care. The boy sought out vulnerable mentally disabled younger boys. You can guess what happened.
He is now serving time 'at her Majesty's Pleasure'. Even pre-sentencing reports said he refused to discuss his actions.
That boy might well have turned to crime, partially influenced by his ADHD. However he had repeated what he had learnt from his biological father.

So sad.

Studies seems to show that they can, so who am I to disagree? It very much depends on the severity of the crime, I think.

What bothers me about the hysteria around the issue is that people need to remember that strangers are far less of a danger than family friends and family members.

Sadly, I encountered several cases when I was teaching. In every case the offender was a family member.

Sharron, yes the girl did, but her parents seperated and the husband got custody.

Nothing has been said as to why the father got custody so I really can't comment on that aspect.

One of the people involved was a local (I'm not in Perth but about 160 km south) to my area :-(

We've had a few cases over recent years, including one suicide before the case went to Court.

Unfortunately, the local regional prison at Bunbury holds many convicted sex offenders of whatever nature

I think as clearly shown here we as a society have no idea how to handle these situations correctly. Goodness knows if we ever will.
My point was if I knew someone was like that would I want them near my kids no.....obviously over the years they will have been "exposed" by the unknown one on the street, maybe even the teacher or the doctor or the shopkeeper.....and that's "fine" in so much as not all will go further and interfere with a child.
Maggie always trust your gut feeling as you know.

Fully agree with you, Sharron.
We have 'family' holidays every year - 11+ people.
This year it's going to be a humongous 'family' holiday with 20+,
Unfortunately camping :-(
It does, however mean cousins and second cousins can meet, as well as extended family - my ex, his 3rd wife and her (adult) children, long term friends etc.
None of whom are paedophiles, or 'creepy' in any way :-D
(sister and I appear to be quite 'fine tuned' to the 'he/she gives me an unwelcome feeling')

I would imagine the girl in your cited articles had another parent, Allan.


Africans believe that it takes a village to raise a child and feel very sorry for the insular way that we live here. Maybe the community is not involved as much as it should be, there is certainly a belief that the family can be nothing but the very best place for every child.

Actually, I'm feeling a bit of a b*tch tonight.
Walking through town, I crossed the road so I wouldn't come face to face with J.
J is homeless. I worked with J when an LSA.
She's in her early 30's, looks like she's in her 50's. Has sex so she can get food. Her parents/father dealt drugs - J was a lovely child, but abused from a very early age.
Then I saw one of her brothers, recently released from prison.
One of identical twins, D was a lovely boy too - but used as a drug runner from an early age. His twin, T had a permanent scowl from an early age - a sign of things to come?
When I worked as a LSA at a primary school, the school had a monthly General Meeting. My daughters (yes, children of a single parent) of a were commissioned to take along D (as above) and Y (now dead through drugs), two 'problem' children, and show them how to behave.
The boys appreciated this (I know, as they told when they were adults), but Y had a weird view on 'how to chat up women'.

Y and my elder child (who was his 'minder' at these meetings), found themselves alone (as adults) in a room, he grabbed her crotch, she slammed him against the wall, and, to put it politely, asked him what he thought he was doing, Once he had 'come to' it transpired he had no idea this wasn't the normal way to 'chat up' a woman!
The combination of lust and ignorance, and the belief the ignorant way is the 'right' way is a dangerous combination. Perhaps sex education isn't what's needed, it's social education and society's 'norms' that's needed :-(

Yes, I taught you to read, but I couldn't take the evil from your lives.

' it is the job of the parent to protect the child'

Read this

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/evil-8-paedophile-ring-dad-jailed-for-raping-pimping-daughter-20160623-gpq6r0.html

And also good sense from this Judge

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/wa-police-have-win-in-evil-8-case-judge-rules-video-will-not-be-thrown-out-20170421-gvpyvq.html

They should be treated and dealt with appropriately - read into that whatever you like.

I am concerned that the children who are abused in the most vile ways have no say and are rarely rehabilitated themselves.

IF every man or woman with these vile desires were punished severely then maybe in a couple of decades the number of children being subjected to these horrors will decrease because the punishment for simply viewing the videos/pictures will impact their lives to such a point that they may be discouraged.

As for those that do the abusing - no punishment is too severe.

I knew a young man who committed suicide. Yes, he was a paedophile, just as his father had been. He knew nothing else.

I agree, Sharron, it is the job of the parent to protect their child, unfortunately, some parents are vulnerable themselves, just plain nasty, or unaware of what's going on, but the vulnerable child shouldn't be seen as a 'worthwhile' victim.

When I realised the paedo's had regularly passed by my house, I questioned my children. Apparently, they (the paedo's) had invited them to stroke the dog.
They didn't.
They'd been taught to ask the owner if they could stroke the dog.
The owner inviting them to stroke the dog was alien to them.
A simple, slight and subtle role reversal that fortunately, my children had seen.
Nothing to do with my 'teaching' more to do with their 'gut instinct'.

I have posted this story before.

One day, when I was working in the street in Waterlooville, I noticed a woman in a clothes shop acting in a most peculiar fashion. She was bending over and pumping her finger up and down at the floor. Then I noticed she had a group of young girls of about twelve or thirteen with her and she was ranting at the one who was crying and looking shocked and was evidently her daughter.

The woman marched off looking like she had won an enormous battle leaving the little girl almost hysterical. Luckily the girl had her friends with her to comfort and support her, and they did, and, luckily, it was me in the street and not somebody looking for a vulnerable girl who was alone , to comfort.

In my opinion, that little girl had been set up to be vulnerable, it is the job of a parent to protect their child.

Many years ago, when I was an LSA at the local school, we had a case of a couple of paedo's luring young boys.
We had a local shop at the time, and I remember seeing these two 'men' walking by, on their way from the shop, with a Rottweiler. They had recently move to the area.
Anyway, when it all came out - we LSA's weren't told who the children were, but were told we were not to talk to them about it.
I asked what we should do if the boys talked to us about it (bearing in mind we weren't told who they were) - and we were told we would be in trouble :-0

This was, yet again, the 'academics' (psychologists) talking out of their posteriors!

We were like second mothers to many children and soon sussed out who the victims were - and they could/would say things to us that they wouldn't say to their parents.
Fortunately, despite her warning via the psychologist, the headmistress ignored the times one or other of us just sat with one or other of these boys, listening to them, and giving them hugs.
It was bl**dy hard - we all had children.

Children are abused to fulfil the 'need' of online paedophiles. This should not happen. These websites should be shut down. Abusers prey on vulnerable children. Why the hell can't children be vulnerable - why are they seen as 'acceptable' victims - it's the vulnerable we, as a humanity should be protecting.
Yes, paedophiles may have had a 'bad' childhood, but why perpetuate the situation by allowing them to ensure other children have a 'bad' childhood too?

Sometimes I think animals are treated better than children in this country.

Maybe it was not having the best possible childhood that made them paedophiles. Should their parents be put on the oil rigs for depriving their own children of the childhood they should have had to develop an appropriate sexuality.

Maybe it was not having the best possible childhood that made them paedophiles. Should their parents be put on the oil rigs for depriving their own children of the childhood they should have had to develop an appropriate sexuality.