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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 22:33
	Edwin's second wife Elizabeth on the 1891 census............ 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shrewsbury Hotel, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Elizabeth Ashmore Head Widow Female 55 1836 Licensed Victualler Norfolk, England Frances Hague - Single Female 35 1856 General Servant Yorkshire, England George Holleley Boarder Married Male 62 1829 Cattle Dealer Yorkshire, England William B Glaves Boarder Single Male 35 1856 Painter Yorkshire, England George Kay Boarder Single Male 36 1855 Stone Mason London, Middlesex, England George E Smart Visitor Single Male 22 1869 Mineral Water Maker London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth A Smart Boarder Single Female 16 1875 Saw Rubber Yorkshire, England Sarah E Smart Visitor - Female 11 1880 - Yorkshire, England Frederick Dent Boarder Married Male 39 1852 Commercial Traveller - Good for her!!! Elizabeth Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Ashmore Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Registration Year: 1899 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 366
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 21:56
	ooh wow thanks I had seen that he was republican when he died, but not got as far as you have :-D
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 20:36
	Edwin's wife Martha died in 1860..... Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%) Ashmore Martha Sheffield 9c 236 Edwin re-married in 1865 Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Ashmore Edwin Sheffield 9c 593 Hammond Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 593 A change of occupation for Edwin in 1971...... 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England E Ashmore Head - Male 50 1821 Licenced Victualler Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Ashmore Wife - Female 38 1833 - Norfolk, England Edward Ashmore Son - Male 20 1851 Glass Grinder Yorkshire, England Mary Ann Ashmore Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England Ellen Ashmore Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Yorkshire, England 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shrewsbury Hotel, 109, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Edwin Ashmore Head Married Male 60 1821 Inkeeper Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth Ashmore Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Lynn, Norfolk, England Fanny Hague Servant Single Female 30 1851 General Serv Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Rimington Visitor Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Serv Mapplewell, Yorkshire, England H Brookfield Boarder - Male 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England Edwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Edwin Ashmore Death Date: 15 Nov 1887 Death Place: Yorkshire, England Probate Date: 2 Jan 1888 Registry: Wakefield Late of 109 South Street Park, Sheffield in the County of York....Publican By Elizabeth Ashmore of 109 South Street Park Widow the Relick the sole Executrix Personal Estate: £168 3s 11d
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 20:10
	many thanks you've all been so very helpful :-)
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 18:35
	Mis-transcribed as "Asherson" on FMP 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court 20, 20, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Catherine Asherson Head Widow Female 70 1791 - Gloucestershire, England Edwin Asherson - Widower Male 40 1821 Optical Glass Grinder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England William Asherson Son - Male 17 1844 Optical Glass Grinder Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Edwin Asherson Son - Male 10 1851 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Ellen Asherson Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Albert Asherson Son - Male 4 1857 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription First name(s) Catherine Last name Ashmore Age 75 Birth year 1790 Death year 1865 Burial year 1865 Burial date 03 Oct 1865 Church Sheffield Park St John Denomination Anglican Place Sheffield County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Burials Collections from Great Britain, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 18:13
	londonbelle.....I can't find the 1861 census with Catherine, Edwin etc on find my past or genes reunited
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 10:19
	?? Selwin James — — 1547-1812 England, Phillimore Marriage Registers, 1531-1913 Painswick, Gloucestershire, England James Selwin & Sarah Holder...5 May 1803 .. 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Pig Street, Painswick, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England James Selwin Male 60 1781 Cloth Worker Gloucestershire, England Sarah Selwin Female 60 1781 Gloucestershire, England Deaths Sep 1845 (>99%) SELWYN James Stroud 11 267 Robert Selwyn in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913 Name: Robert Selwyn Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1822 Baptism Place: Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Painswick Search Photos: Search for 'Painswick' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: James Selwyn (Cloth Worker....Painswick) Mother: Sarah Selwyn Robert Selwyn in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1988 Name: Robert Selwyn Death Age: 0 Birth Year: abt 1822 Burial Date: 27 Nov 1822 Burial Place: Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Painswick
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 90,833 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	8 Jan 2018 10:13
	You may well be right about Edward's literacy. However, I note that his son Edwin whose occupation was an Optician signed the Parish Marriage Register in 1840 with 'a mark'.
	Researching: Go on, make my day!
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 09:14
	Catherine's parents marriage..... ?? County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Marriage date 11 Nov 1770 Groom forename Will'm Groom surname SELWYN Groom parish Otp Bride forename Sarah Bride surname DAVIES Bride parish Otp Witness Tho's ? Witness E'ward WHITEHEAD Register note Banns Transcriber notes Further children........ County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 28 Sep 1777 Person forename W'm Person sex M Father forename W'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sarah Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 26 Mar 1780 Person forename JAMES Person sex M Father forename W'M Father surname SELWYN Mother forename SAR'H Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 29 Dec 1782 Person forename Sar'h Person sex F Father forename W'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sar'h Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 9 Apr 1787 Person forename Robert Person sex M Father forename Will'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sarah Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 08:16
	I agree with the misinterpretation of the name and the accents when being recorded but not sure I agree with Edward being illiterate as he was an optician and optical lens grinder, this seems to be the chosen profession of his male descendants and surely would need to be able to read and write.....just a thought
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 90,833 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	8 Jan 2018 06:53
	I think Prickles find of the birth of Charles Selwin Ashmore in 1838 nails it for me :-D I've found burial transcripts for Charles with his middle name spelt as Selwin & Selwyn. I'm now 99% sure that Edward"s wife was Catherine Selwyn. I agree with everyone about how surname spellings change and have come across similar instances in my own Tree. if you say Ashmore quickly & throw in an accent, I too can see how it may have been written as Ashmall. Chances are both Edward & Catherine were illiterate and therefore wouldn't have any idea if it was written correctly or not!
	Researching: Go on, make my day!
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 05:37
	Thank you maghiewinchester and sylviaincanada for your explanations Really helpful, it's the first time I've come across a name change in my tree
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	7 Jan 2018 22:13
	Janey ............. we all find some to many variants of surnames through the ages. Most of our ancestors were illiterate, so could not read a register or census form to see if it was spelled correctly. Most census enumerators (those who took down the information) were often only a little more illiterate. Many vicars could not spell. Add to this, the hundreds if not thousands of dialects to be found in the UK back then. Try to say a name in a thick Lancashire accent (for example), and try to decide how it would sound to a "furriner" from Northumberland or Devon! Like maggie, I have all kinds of spellings in the families I'm researching. Hayhurst - Hayurst - Hairst ............... then the transcription of that on one census as Porst :-0 The latter was easy to correct, but the others are all found in official records such as Parish Records, military documents, and censuses, and are as thought to be spelled or heard by the person writing down the information. Who knows what the original spelling was?!!! It does look as though Edward was Ashmill or Ashmall to begin, and that then transformed into Ashmore. True or not?
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: May 2003 Posts: 20,649 Send Message	maggiewinchester	Report	7 Jan 2018 21:59
	Different variations of a surname are due to the census writer - or even the rector - and accents! I've got Cattermoles in my family. We went to Sweffling (where the family came from) and looked in the (photocopied) records kept in the church. Fortunately we worked backwards. The name had about 5 different spellings, from Cattermole, Catermule, Catermulle, back to the 'first' spelling - Kakermoullle! Shears - Sheers, Sheeres, Shires, Shiers. etc
	Researching: Henry Floyd (g x 4 grandad) Allegedly the heaviest man in England in 1842
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	7 Jan 2018 21:50
	I have all the children born in Sheffield with the surname Ashmore how does it happen that there are so many different versions of the surname? is it due to misinterpretation? thank you all for your help sylviaincanada - looks like Edward was in the Worcester Militia!! this is something of interest
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	7 Jan 2018 20:33
	why?
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	7 Jan 2018 20:27
	Oh now I'm really confused....... :-S
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	7 Jan 2018 20:04
	??Other children? England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 First name(s) Eliza Last name Ashmell Gender Female Birth year 1814 Birth place Livery Street, Birmingham Baptism year 1815 Baptism date 19 May 1815 Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England Place Birmingham County Warwickshire Country England Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Ashmell Mother's first name(s) Catharine Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom First name(s) Charlotte Last name Ashmall Gender Female Birth year 1818 Birth place Winson Green Baptism year 1819 Baptism date 22 Feb 1819 Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England Place Birmingham County Warwickshire Country England Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Ashmall Mother's first name(s) Catherine Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom Yorkshire Baptisms First name(s) Mary Ann Last name Ashmore Birth year 1826 Birth date 26 Jun 1826 Baptism year 1826 Baptism date 09 Jul 1826 Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Edward Mother's first name(s) Catherine County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Archive reference PR-138-2-14 Page 226 Record set Yorkshire Baptisms Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom from image:- Father Occupation:- Glass Cutter First name(s) Oliver Last name Ashmore Birth year 1828 Birth date 04 Nov 1828 Baptism year 1828 Baptism date 23 Nov 1828 Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Edward Mother's first name(s) Catherine County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Archive reference PR-138-2-16 Page 210 Record set Yorkshire Baptisms Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom Father occupation:- Glass Cutter ????? yours or not ?????? England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 First name(s) Charles Last name Ashmill Gender Male Birth year 1812 Birth place - Baptism year 1812 Baptism date 25 Oct 1812 Place Portsea County Hampshire Country England Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Ashmill Mother's first name(s) Catharine Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom another record for Charles .......... Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms First name(s) Charles Last name Ashmill Birth year 1812 Birth date 06 Oct 1812 Baptism year 1812 Baptism date 25 Oct 1812 Baptism place Portsea, St John Dedication St John Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Edward Mother's first name(s) Catharine County Hampshire Country England Register type Baptisms Register year range 1808-1813 Archive reference CHU 5/A/1/2 Archive Portsmouth History Centre Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, United Kingdom from image:- Father a Privateer of Worcester Militia
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	7 Jan 2018 19:56
	Bingo!!! First son born......... ASHMORE, CHARLES ""SELVIN"" MMN WOODCOCK GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 560 Charles Selwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Charles Selwin Ashmore Registration Year: 1838 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 22 Page: 560 ASHMORE, MARY CATHERINE MMN WOODCOCK GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 527 or 8 ASHMORE, WALTER MMN WOODCOCK GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 533 Parents marriage... Charles Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Charles Ashmore Spouse: Mary Woodcock Registration Year: 1837 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Sheffield Volume: 22 Page: 315 Charles Ashmore in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Charles Ashmore Death Date: 17 Dec 1890 (Correction....Death Date 17 Dec 1889) Death Place: Yorkshire, England Probate Date: 27 Aug 1890 Registry: Wakefield Late of Sheffield in the County of York...Optician. To Mary Ashmore of South Street Park, Sheffield...Widow the Relict the Universal Legatee......Personal Estate: £214 8s Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%) Ashmore Charles 77 Sheffield 9c 333
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	7 Jan 2018 19:48
	There is also this son........ Charles Ashmill in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Charles Ashmill Gender: Male Birth Date: 6 Oct 1812 Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1812 Baptism Place: Saint John,Portsea,Hampshire,England Father: Edward Ashmill Mother: Catharine Living in the next property to Edward and Catherine on the 1851 census....... 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court, South Street Park, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Charles Ashmore Head Married Male 38 1813 Spectacle Frame Maker Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Mary Ashmore Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Charles S Ashmore Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Mary C Ashmore Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1843 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Walter Ashmore Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Granville Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Charles Ashmore Male 25 1816 - Specticle Maker Mary Ashmore Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England Charles S Ashmore Male 3 1838 Yorkshire, England Living next door....... 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Granville Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Edwin Ashmore Male 20 1821 - Glass Grinder Martha Ashmore Female 20 1821 Yorkshire, England Edwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Edwin Ashmore Spouse: Martha Wilson Registration Year: 1840 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Sheffield Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 22 Page: 472
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

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