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I have got 3 people I am looking into I know their approx year of birth and where they were born but their are too many results coming up. I have tried looking to see if I can add their partners/parents name to the search so I can narrow the results but I can't find where to add this. As I only have 30 credits left I don't want to waste them. Can anyone tell me how to do it please?

Do you know their mothers maiden name?

Try https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl for births in England & Wales 1837-c1965.

Also https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp which gives mmn 1837- [edit1917]. Its not shown on Freebmd until 1911.

Although you have to register on GRO, its free to search. In any event, that's the best place to purchase certificates if you need to.

Both sites are free.

Don't use genes to search

Freebmd is free and has a good range of search years

Genes members too have subs to other sites and are only giving happy to do look ups

I have access on here you can PM me and I can try and help.....

Thankyou everyone. I will try those sights. The people I am trying to find census on are, Henry Dawson b.1870 only know his daughter Maud Dawson b.1899. Joseph Shepherd b.1831 married Mary b.1829 they had a daughter, Emma born 1868,,,,,, John Turpin b.1815 Married Hannah b.1813 they had a son, Samuel b.1828,,,,,,,, At the moment I'm just after any census they are on so I can see where the were born, profession etc

where do you think (or know) they lived in the UK????

?????...in 1901

Name: Maud Dawson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henry Dawson
Mother: Mary Dawson
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn

Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:




Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Witton
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3926
Folio: 89
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Dawson 30.......Stockman on farm....b. Bispham,Lancs.
Mary Dawson 29
Susannah Ellie Dawson 4...b. Great Eddlestone, Lancs.
Maud Dawson 2


and possibly her baptism...

Name: Maud Dawson
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1899
Christening Date: 26 Feb 1899
Christening Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Henry Dawson
Mother: Mary Dawson

You have put:

'John Turpin b.1815 Married Hannah b.1813 they had a son, Samuel b.1828'

so John was 13 when Samuel was born?

Could this be "your" Samuel? If so father John is born c.1806:-

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Trowell, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

Samuel Turpin's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

John Turpin Male 35 1806 Nottinghamshire, England
Hanh Turpin Female 35 1806 -
Samuel Turpin Male 13 1828 Nottinghamshire, England
Ann Turpin Female 11 1830 Nottinghamshire, England

Kath. x

Joseph Shepherd b.1831 Lincolnshire married Mary b.1829 Bradford Yorkshire. I am trying to find Mary's maiden name I am also trying to find them on any census before 1901(as I have this one) to see if I can find their parents.

Same family in 1851:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barbadoes, Sandiacre, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England

Samuel Turpin's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Turpin Head Married Male 46 1805 Ironstone Labourer Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Hannah Turpin Wife Married Female 48 1803 - Derbyshire, England
Samuel Turpin Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Ag Lab Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Richard Lane Lodger Unmarried Male 45 1806 Ironstone Labourer Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Turpin Head Married Male 25 1826 Ironstone Labourer Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Turpin Wife Married Female 22 1829 - Markeaton, Derbyshire, England

???????? is this your Henry with daughter Maud in 1901??

from Ancestry ...........

1901 Census

Name: Maud Dawson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henry Dawson
Mother: Mary Dawson
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Witton
ED, institution, or vessel: 04

Piece: 3926
Folio: 89
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 155

Henry Dawson 30 b.ca 1870, Bispham, Lancashire, Stock Man on Farm (Ag Labourer)
Mary Dawson 29 b.ca 1872, Out Rawcliffe, Lancashire
Susannah Ellie Dawson 4 b.ca 1897, Great Eddleston, Lancashire
Maud Dawson 2

Address:- 124 Griffin Street,Blackburn


Looks as though Henry married a second time between the 1901 and 1911 Censuses ......

1911 Census

Name: Maud Dawson
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
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County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 51 Catcliffe Rd Darnall
Registration district: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration district: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 28013

Henry Dawson 40 b.ca 1871, Bispham, Lancashire, Colliery Labourer
Ada Dawson 38 b.ca 1873, Stannington, Yorkshire
Maud Dawson 13
Fred Dawson 5 b.ca 1906, Darnall, Yorkshire
Elsie Dawson 4 b.ca 1907, Darnall, Yorkshire
Ida Dawson 2 b.ca 1909, Darnall, Yorkshire

from image......

married 7 years, 3 children born to Ada during the marriage


Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Dawson Henry Garstang 8e 929
Turner Mary Garstang 8e 929


Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)

Dawson Henry Lancaster 8e 1461
Massey Ada Lancaster 8e 1461



from GRO Index ......... Note this is the place where the birth was registered, and the birth place as shown on the Census is included in that Registration District

DAWSON, SUSANNAH ELLEN mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in GARSTANG Volume 08E Page 741

DAWSON, MAUD mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 485


will have to search for Mary and Susannah Ellen Dawson

??????????

1871

Name: Emma Shepherd
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Shepherd
Mother's name: Mary Shepherd
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 4662
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shepherd 40
Mary Shepherd 42
John I Shepherd 11
James A Shepherd 8
Emma Shepherd 3
Wm W Shepherd 2

A possibility for the marriage of Joseph and Mary:-

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Shepherd
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1847
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™

Joseph Shepherd married one of these people

Martha Smith, Maria Pearson, >>>>>>>>Mary Ann Hudson<<<<<<<<, Jane Shaw

District Bradford
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 23
Volume as transcribed 23
Page number 199
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

If they had any children you can check the mother's maiden name on the GRO site.

Kath. x

??????

death of Mary Dawson

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)

Dawson Mary 31 Blackburn 8e 253


Baptism of Maud, with a little more detail ..

Baptism: 26 Feb 1899 St Philip, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Maud Dawson - Daughter of Henry Dawson & Mary
Born: 12 Feb 1899
Abode: 124 Griffin St
Occupation: farm labourer
Baptised by: I. F. French
Register: Baptisms 1888 - 1900, Page 233, Entry 1164
Source: LDS Film 1470819

I'm pretty certain that this is Susannnah Ellen, already out at work ...........


1911 Census

Name: Susia Dawson
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancaster, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
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County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 47 Meersbrook Park Road Sheffield
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 27768

Ernest Rodgers Collins 37 Provision Merchant's Manager
Rosa Marion Collins 37
Winifred Collins 11
Agnes Collins 10
Harry Collins 7
Ernest Herbert Collins Under 1 month
Jane Amelia Smith Worth 42
Millicant Collins 8
>>>>>>>> Susia Dawson 14 Domestic Servant


It was not unusual for a servant's name to be shortened or altered, especially if is seemed "too posh" to her employer!!

I think it was probably meant to be Susie

DAWSON, HUBERT mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 437


from Lancs bmd, which gives the exact lace where births (+ marriages and deaths) were registered ..............

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
DAWSON Hubert TURNER Witton Blackburn W/50/37


.......... same place as Maud's birth registration

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference

DAWSON Maud TURNER Witton Blackburn W/45/15


But Susannah's was registered in a different place ...........

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
DAWSON Susannah Ellen TURNER St. Michael Preston ST.M/12/1

Mary's death is registered in the same place ..........

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference

DAWSON Mary 31 Witton Blackburn W/30/44


I wonder if she died in childbirth ........ except I can't find out what happened to Hubert!


This is the only death of a Hubert Dawson that I can find ..............

DAWSON, HUBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 416


No sign of him on the 1911 Census

Births from the second marriage of Henry to Ada Massey

from GRO Index

DAWSON, FRED mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 615

DAWSON, ELSIE mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 682

DAWSON, IDA mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 700

1861

????

Name: John T Shepherd
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Shepherd
Mother's name: Mary Shepherd
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3463
Folio: 79
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shepherd 30.....Striker Smith work..b. Barrow upon Soar, Lecestershire
Mary Shepherd 32...........b. Bradford
John T Shepherd 1... b. Sheffield