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Thankyou syviaincanada x

Jayne ............

Yes, FamilySearch is the Church of Latterday Saints site. link below.

The RECORDS section is great, lots of collections, but keep away from Collections which is user-submitted records and trees, and often very imaginative!

You now have to set up an account, but it is free and seems to be safe

https://www.familysearch.org/

or this one has the list of collections that they have .....

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list

I have wrote all this down and will be sitting down to put it all together tomorrow. I would just like to say a big thankyou to everyone that helped and gave me reference sights. I would like to say an extra thankyou to you Sylvia you gave me a lot. Thankyou for the site mentions I am not on some of those. Is one of those the church of the latter day saints? I remember quiet a few years ago my mum used to use it but I can;t find it x

Omw. Everyone has been busy, thankyou. Just got in from work, going to make a brew and have a read at all this. I will get back to you all. Thankyou again x

Free searches can be accessed through IGI - have you registered to use it?

https://www.familysearch.org/

e.g a Maud Dawson in 1911.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKL-G9B

It also has lots of birth and death details and much of the information found by the helpers here.

Oh ........ the witness's name was SARAH Hodges!

I found this version on Freereg

https://www.freereg.org.uk


County Leicestershire
Place Loughborough
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 899
Marriage date 1 May 1826
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname SHEPHERD
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname NOON
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname SHEPHERD
Witness2 forename Sarah
Witness2 surname HODGES
Notes 3. John Twells
Transcribed by John Gumley

??????????????????????


Joseph called one of his children William NOON Shepherd

Could that have been Joseph's mother's maiden name????


from FMP ..........

Leicestershire Marriages

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Shepherd
Age -
Birth year -
Residence Loughborough
Marriage year 1826
Marriage date 01 May 1826
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Noon
Spouse's residence Loughborough
Denomination Anglican
Place Loughborough, All Saints
County Leicestershire
Country England
Event type Parish Registers
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Archive reference DE667/14
Record set Leicestershire Marriages


The marriage was too earely for father's names to be on the Parish Register, but there were 3 witnesses .............

Witnesses:- John Shepherd, Thomas (or Tomas) Hodges and John Twells (???spelling)

There are two Joseph Shepherds apparently born in Barrow-on-Soar Leicestershire at around the same time .......... one in 1830/31 and one in 1831/32


Search long enough and you will find :-D

Here is a transcript of Joseph and Mary's marriage, from FindMyPast ......


Yorkshire Marriages

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Shepherd
Age 28
Birth year 1830
Residence North Parade
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 04 Jan 1858
Marriage place Sheffield, St Jude, Moorfields
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Armstrong
Spouse's age 29
Spouse's residence North Parade
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Shepherd
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Armstrong
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive reference PR-141-2-1
Page 26
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Record set Yorkshire Marriages


so Joseph's father's name was Thomas


and this must be Joseph with his family in 1841. Note that his siblings have some names that he later used for his own children

1841 Census

Name: Joseph Shepherd
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Barrow Upon Soar
Hundred: East Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Syston
Neighbors:
Piece: 592
Book: 8
Page Number: 1

Thomas Shepherd 35 Ag Lab
Mary Shepherd 40
Priscilla Shepherd 12
Joseph Shepherd 10
William Shepherd 9
Abraham Shepherd 7
Miram Shepherd 5
Sabina Shepherd 3
Isaac Shepherd 1
Jacob Shepherd 1 Mo

Note that ages of people over the age of 15 were almost always rounded DOWN to the nearest 5 on the 1841 Census, but only on that census.

well, if this is accurate, it looks as if the marriage posted by Kath is not the correct one, unless Mary had been married before ....

SHEPHERD, JAMES ARMSTRONG mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 204

SHEPHERD, EMMA mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BURLOW Volume 09C Page 224

SHEPHERD, WILLIAM NOON mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 242

SHEPHERD, FRED mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 268

died soon after birth ......

SHEPHERD, FRED 0
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 155

???? John I on the 1871 should be John T ........

SHEPHERD, JOHN THOMAS mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 175


This looks more like the marriage ..............

Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG Mary Sheffield 9c 229
SHEPHERD Joseph Sheffield 9c 229

1861

????

Name: John T Shepherd
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Shepherd
Mother's name: Mary Shepherd
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3463
Folio: 79
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shepherd 30.....Striker Smith work..b. Barrow upon Soar, Lecestershire
Mary Shepherd 32...........b. Bradford
John T Shepherd 1... b. Sheffield

Births from the second marriage of Henry to Ada Massey

from GRO Index

DAWSON, FRED mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 615

DAWSON, ELSIE mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 682

DAWSON, IDA mmn MASSEY
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 700

Mary's death is registered in the same place ..........

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference

DAWSON Mary 31 Witton Blackburn W/30/44


I wonder if she died in childbirth ........ except I can't find out what happened to Hubert!


This is the only death of a Hubert Dawson that I can find ..............

DAWSON, HUBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 416


No sign of him on the 1911 Census

DAWSON, HUBERT mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 437


from Lancs bmd, which gives the exact lace where births (+ marriages and deaths) were registered ..............

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
DAWSON Hubert TURNER Witton Blackburn W/50/37


.......... same place as Maud's birth registration

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference

DAWSON Maud TURNER Witton Blackburn W/45/15


But Susannah's was registered in a different place ...........

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
DAWSON Susannah Ellen TURNER St. Michael Preston ST.M/12/1

I'm pretty certain that this is Susannnah Ellen, already out at work ...........


1911 Census

Name: Susia Dawson
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancaster, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
Search Photos: Search for 'Ecclesall' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 47 Meersbrook Park Road Sheffield
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 27768

Ernest Rodgers Collins 37 Provision Merchant's Manager
Rosa Marion Collins 37
Winifred Collins 11
Agnes Collins 10
Harry Collins 7
Ernest Herbert Collins Under 1 month
Jane Amelia Smith Worth 42
Millicant Collins 8
>>>>>>>> Susia Dawson 14 Domestic Servant


It was not unusual for a servant's name to be shortened or altered, especially if is seemed "too posh" to her employer!!

I think it was probably meant to be Susie

??????

death of Mary Dawson

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)

Dawson Mary 31 Blackburn 8e 253


Baptism of Maud, with a little more detail ..

Baptism: 26 Feb 1899 St Philip, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Maud Dawson - Daughter of Henry Dawson & Mary
Born: 12 Feb 1899
Abode: 124 Griffin St
Occupation: farm labourer
Baptised by: I. F. French
Register: Baptisms 1888 - 1900, Page 233, Entry 1164
Source: LDS Film 1470819

A possibility for the marriage of Joseph and Mary:-

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Shepherd
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1847
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™

Joseph Shepherd married one of these people

Martha Smith, Maria Pearson, >>>>>>>>Mary Ann Hudson<<<<<<<<, Jane Shaw

District Bradford
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 23
Volume as transcribed 23
Page number 199
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

If they had any children you can check the mother's maiden name on the GRO site.

Kath. x

??????????

1871

Name: Emma Shepherd
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Shepherd
Mother's name: Mary Shepherd
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 4662
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shepherd 40
Mary Shepherd 42
John I Shepherd 11
James A Shepherd 8
Emma Shepherd 3
Wm W Shepherd 2

???????? is this your Henry with daughter Maud in 1901??

from Ancestry ...........

1901 Census

Name: Maud Dawson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henry Dawson
Mother: Mary Dawson
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Search Photos: Search for 'Blackburn' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Witton
ED, institution, or vessel: 04

Piece: 3926
Folio: 89
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 155

Henry Dawson 30 b.ca 1870, Bispham, Lancashire, Stock Man on Farm (Ag Labourer)
Mary Dawson 29 b.ca 1872, Out Rawcliffe, Lancashire
Susannah Ellie Dawson 4 b.ca 1897, Great Eddleston, Lancashire
Maud Dawson 2

Address:- 124 Griffin Street,Blackburn


Looks as though Henry married a second time between the 1901 and 1911 Censuses ......

1911 Census

Name: Maud Dawson
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Search Photos: Search for 'Sheffield' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 51 Catcliffe Rd Darnall
Registration district: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration district: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 28013

Henry Dawson 40 b.ca 1871, Bispham, Lancashire, Colliery Labourer
Ada Dawson 38 b.ca 1873, Stannington, Yorkshire
Maud Dawson 13
Fred Dawson 5 b.ca 1906, Darnall, Yorkshire
Elsie Dawson 4 b.ca 1907, Darnall, Yorkshire
Ida Dawson 2 b.ca 1909, Darnall, Yorkshire

from image......

married 7 years, 3 children born to Ada during the marriage


Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Dawson Henry Garstang 8e 929
Turner Mary Garstang 8e 929


Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)

Dawson Henry Lancaster 8e 1461
Massey Ada Lancaster 8e 1461



from GRO Index ......... Note this is the place where the birth was registered, and the birth place as shown on the Census is included in that Registration District

DAWSON, SUSANNAH ELLEN mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in GARSTANG Volume 08E Page 741

DAWSON, MAUD mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 485


will have to search for Mary and Susannah Ellen Dawson

Same family in 1851:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barbadoes, Sandiacre, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England

Samuel Turpin's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Turpin Head Married Male 46 1805 Ironstone Labourer Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Hannah Turpin Wife Married Female 48 1803 - Derbyshire, England
Samuel Turpin Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Ag Lab Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Richard Lane Lodger Unmarried Male 45 1806 Ironstone Labourer Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Turpin Head Married Male 25 1826 Ironstone Labourer Trowell, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Turpin Wife Married Female 22 1829 - Markeaton, Derbyshire, England

Joseph Shepherd b.1831 Lincolnshire married Mary b.1829 Bradford Yorkshire. I am trying to find Mary's maiden name I am also trying to find them on any census before 1901(as I have this one) to see if I can find their parents.