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PM Boris Johnson walks out on Bercow

https://youtu.be/v7Hu-14z-zQ

Well, why should he listen to anyone else?
The great Johnson had had his say, nanny said it was bed time!

Good morning Maggie. I thought proceedings in the House began and ended

with the Speaker, John Bercow.

Despite not always agreeing with the PM so far he's not quitting.

There was a point of order to be made - but Johnson didn't want to hear anyone else.
This is not the way to have a debate.
The PM doesn't get to have his say, and then walk out - he's meant to be an adult, not an 8 year old child.

Almost any behaviour begins to look normal if we are exposed to enough of it.

Hundreds of Bishops and Archbishops have signed a petition decrying

recent violent bad language within Parliament.

"Well, why should he listen to anyone else?
The great Johnson had had his say, nanny said it was bed time!"
MW

:-D very funny

Was that praise, or sarcasm? :-S

honi soit qui mal y pense

Bercow is a berk,so ignorant even in private

Desist from giving anyone a good harrumphing.

Conspiracy theories abound. Another 'Battle of Britain'!

Former House Speaker Betty Boothroyd wouldn't have permited it ;-)

Instead of taking the huff or just being far too garrulous, why don't they stick to the wonderful tried-and tested insults?

Gerraway, yer mongrel.

Ya just a galah.

Ya big girl's blouse.

Give ya head a shake .....

.... and so on.

At least the proceedings would be more entertaining.


Another (and more serious) thing, I feel that BoJo has been led by the nose on one occasion this week - and I am no fan of his. Job done too easily Boris.

Am I the only one who felt a little uneasy at the mention of a deceased MP's name when there was no need to do that at all? I feel it would have been enough to mention security of MPs and their families rather than bring any names into the mix; after all, everyone there would have been aware of that particular event.

BoJo needs to pause and think before he responds. He could so easily have turned the tables slightly and ever so gently and been a better man for doing so. 'Needs more training'.

Have you been watching Question Time from the Federal Parliament of Australia, JoyLouise? ;-) :-D :-D

Have to agree with you, David - Betty Boothroyd was the best speaker. :-D

Some of my eldest daughter's first words were 'Order Order' in a Welsh accent :-S
'Yesterday in Parliament' coincided with breakfast time - and Lord Tonypandy was speaker!

Since the Supreme Court. unanimous decision PM Johnson has repeatedly

said it is wrong, such conceit.

Would he be less of a man to admit he made a mistake?

He'd have far fewer enemies and a Cabinet that backed him.

You guessed, Allan. It was always entertaining. :-D

If you read the Bill of Rights 1689,which is the nearest we have to a constitution it is perfectly clear that when Boris prorogued Parliament he did not break any law. The supreme court was set up by T Blair in order to get his Iraq war shenanigans through the H of C (remember the dodgy dossier?!) These shady 11?!! law lords created a law AFTER Boris prorogued and and AFTER he spoke to the Queen, and have used it in retrospect which is pretty disgraceful by anybody's standards! Boris did not break the law as it stood at that moment in time, nor did he lie to the Queen.
Parliament is a complete ### house, promising the general public again and again, something they had no intention of delivering! DISHONEST doesn't even begin to describe these honourable gentlemen! No wonder he walked out!

You should understand the context J.

After the restoration of the monarchy in 1660 relations between the King and parliament remained rocky to say the least of it culminating in the deposition of James II in 1688. Frequent prorogation of Parliament was one of the issues. At that time the King's ministers were never MPs from the Commons.
Parliament invited William of Orange & his wife Mary Stuart to the throne in 1689 the "Glorious Revolution". No blood was shed but an armada of Dutch ships and troops arrived in Brixham just in case.

This established that sovereignty resided in Parliament not the Monarch and accession to the throne was be decision of Parliament not solely by birth.
The Bill of Rights became an Act in 1689 signed by William and Mary.

In a nutshell it swept away the abuse of prerogative power exercised by the Tudor and Stewart monarchs replacing it with an elected three year parliament and constitutional monarchy. The exercise of the prerogative for suspending and opening Parliamentary sessions became a ceremonial act carried out by Black Rod. Prerog. prior to the Queens Speech has never been longer than a week. For other purposes there has always been good reason eg the burning down of parliament in 1834 and the hiatus which brought Stanley Baldwin to no.10.

Due to European law the old British system of the ultimate appeal court sitting as a House of Lords court and the Lord Chief Justice a govt minister had to change. Whoever was PM the change would have been made. The Supreme Court is the successor to the House of Lords not some kind of evil plot dreamed up by Tony Blair.

In the centuries following 1688 the Executive gradually eroded the power of Parliament in all manner of ways. Since the 1960s the House of Lords (Lord Bingham, Lord Denning ) and now the Supreme Court have made several leading judgements which have greatly strengthened the power of the House of Commons.

It is Parliament which represents the people in a representative democracy not referenda and especially not the tabloid press which is not a good place to get your legal knowledge from. It is somewhat jejune to exercise such opinion as superior to the accumulated knowledge and experience of the Lady Hale and the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00084tb/rise-of-the-nazis-series-1-1-politics


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