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Thanks, Jink.

AG

FYI

UK, Royal Marines Campaign Medal Rolls, 1914-1920
Full Name Simpson, Andrew
Nationality British
Rank Name Private
Service Number Deal/8417/S
Service Royal Marines
Branch royal marine labour corps *********

I have been in contact with Ann, who has given me her permission to send a message inviting Susan Kay, on Ancestry, to contact her.

Scotland's People does not recognise Millan as a "fuzzy match" for Milne, so the 1905 marriage doesn't show up unless you know to search specifically for Millan, or enter Mil*.

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To answer ErikaH's specific question :

in 1917 Andrew was 38, coal carter, widower, Private No 8417 R M C L(?)
Parents: John (tailor, deceased ) and Elizabeth (nee Henderson).

Hi,
He is the right Andrew.

Thanks.

Ann

EH
Susan Kay Ancestry tree has Andrew Simpson listed as

Andrew SIMPSON
1878–1944
Birth 5 SEP 1878 • 21 Blair Street, Edinburgh
Death 3 AUG 1944 • Dumbiedykes Road, Edinburgh

Marriage
Andrew SIMPSON
1878–1944
21 AUG 1917
8 Bank Street, Edinburgh

Agnes Ross married Thomas Millan/Milne 1905, Canongate, Gros number 685/3/65, the surname was misspelt.

Sorry for the long delay in replying - I don't use this site normally. My great grandmother was married to Andrew Simpson - he was her second husband as her first husband - Thomas Milne - my great grandfather died in Gallipoli in 1915. so we may have a half connection. My grandfather was David Milne.

The 2nd paragraph is from Susan on the 26/8/2024, I contacted Susan last year, I was pleased she got back to me, but still waiting on her opening her message.

Andrew Simpson born 1878 had a sister Margaret born 1887, she married James McColgan 1919, Edinburgh, it is Margaret and James 2nd marriage, James McColgan is my husbands Great Grand Father.

Thank you for all the information regarding the Ross/Milne family, I will follow it up when I am in Edinburgh.

Ann

Susan Forrest has a tree on Ancestry. Now called Susan Kay.

Further details to follow

AG

How old was Andrew Simpson in 1917, please?

1911 census:

MILNE, AGNES
1911
F
28
685/3 45/ 10
Canongate
Midlothian

She's with Thomas 31, Elizabeth 5, Thomas 2, Catherine 8, Julia 0.


Looking at births - Julia Ann 1910, Elizabeth 1905, Thomas 1909 - but I don't see Catherine's birth - not as Ross or Milne - at least not with mmn stated.

Just a possibility - there's a Catherine Ross born in Leith in 1903, with no mmn given.

Agreed.
Agnes Ross did not marry anyone named Milne, but lived with him as his wife and used his name, per her marriage to Andrew Simpson.

ADDED:
I was curious enough to view the 1917 marriage cert.
Agnes claims to be a widow, and calls herself Agnes Milne - but disappointingly there's no useful detail about Mr Milne.

So after all that can we safely say Agnes Ross did not marry a Thomas Milne who died at Gallipoli 28 June 1915, as they were never married???

Observations and comments welcomed

Any yes, I am aware that Gallipoli had a "few" of the lads posted there during WW1.
Haven't yet found a Thomas Millan who died on Gallipoli 28 June 15 with an Agnes Ross as a wife.

SusanKa133 tree lists the following results

Agnes Ross
Gender Female
Birth 5 Dec 1883
Edinburgh, Midlothian

Marriage
31 MAR 1905
3 St John Street, Edinburgh

Spouse THOMAS MILNE

Scotlands People lists this wedding
Surname ROSS
Forename AGNES
Spouse Surname MILLAN
Spouse Forename THOMAS
Year 1905
Ref 685 / 3 / 65
RD Name Canongate

Similar sounding surnames spelling is different ????

I note this because the FMP listing then reads

Name Thomas Milne
Birth 10 Jun 1878
Edinburgh

Spouse Agnes Ross

Children from this marriage
David Ross
ELIZABETH
Thomas

Deceased
28 Jun 1915 *************
Gallipoli *************

So I have had a look on FOLD3
It appears to be a WO 363 Burnt Document

Thomas MILNE 2365
5th Royal Scots
26 Watson Crescent Edinburgh

NOK Mrs Milne 13 Watson Crescent, Edinburgh

Later entry reads that any medal awards should be passed to

***********Widow - Mrs Jane R Milne*************

a further record records their children
George Milne 9th? Feb 1911
Isobel 9th May 1912
Thomas 28th Sept 1913
Mary Jane 24th March 1915

and his death is recorded as

GALLIPOLI 28 JUNE 1915

Scotlands People

Surname MILNE
Forename DAVID ROSS
Spouse Surname THOMSON
Spouse Forename ISABELLA SKIRVI
Year 1936
Ref 685 / 1 / 149
RD Name Haymarket

Scotlands People
Surname MILNE
Forename MARGARET SKIRVI
Spouse Surname FORREST
Spouse Forename ALASTAIR WRIGHT
Year 1958
Ref 685 / 1 / 471
RD Name Haymarket

Quick Google search

BEATTIE Norma Margaret
(nee Forrest) (Currie)
Suddenly but peacefully, at St John's Hospital, Livingston, on June 7, 2020, Norma (Pupil Support Assistant at Corstorphine Primary School), loving mum of Nicholas and Christopher, wife of Neil, much loved daughter of Margaret and the late Alastair and sister of Susan and Ian.

Published by Edinburgh News on Jun. 12, 2020

https://www.legacy.com/uk/obituaries/edinburghnews-scotsman-uk/name/norma-beattie-obituary?id=42315686

FMP tree created by SusanKa133 (Last active over a year ago) suggests the following

Agnes Ross
Gender Female
Birth 5 Dec 1883
Edinburgh, Midlothian

Marriage
31 MAR 1905
3 St John Street, Edinburgh

Spouse Thomas Milne

Children from this marriage
David Ross,
ELIZABETH,
Thomas

Living status
Deceased
14 Mar 1974
17 Moredun Park Road, Newington, Edinburgh

Name Thomas Milne
Gender Male
Birth 10 Jun 1878
Edinburgh

Marriage
31 MAR 1905
3 St John Street, Edinburgh

Spouse Agnes Ross

Children from this marriage
David Ross
ELIZABETH
Thomas

Living status
Deceased
28 Jun 1915
Gallipoli
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ELIZABETH Milne
Gender Female
Birth
14 Jun 1905

Deceased
16 Apr 1974

EDIT
Scotlands People
Surname MILNE
Forename ELIZABETH
Mother's Maiden Name ROSS
Gender F
Year 1905
Ref
685 / 5 / 568
RD Name
Newington
____________________________________________________________________
THOMAS Milne
Gender Male
Birth
1 Feb 1909

Deceased
9 Jun 1997

EDIT
Surname MILNE
Forename THOMAS
Mother's Maiden Name ROSS
Gender M
Year 1909
Ref 685 / 3 / 184
RD Name
Canongate

____________________________________________________________________

David Ross Milne
Gender Male
Birth 20 Nov1914
Edinburgh, Scotland

EDIT
Surname MILNE
Forename DAVID ROSS
Mother's Maiden Name ROSS
Gender M
Year 1914
Ref 685 / 5 / 820
RD Name
Newington


Marriage
1 Jun 1936
Westfield Hall, Edinburgh

Spouse Isabella skirving Thomson

Children from this marriage
Carol

Living status
Deceased
2 May 1993
Edinburgh
______________________________________________________________

CAROL Milne
Birth
3 Sep 1948

Deceased
23 Mar 1996
________________________________________________________________

There is a RESTRICTED sibling of Carol listed with the following spouse
EDIT- Sibling would appear to be MARGARET MILNE
See Obituary for Norma Beattie

Name
Alastair Wright Forrest
Gender Male
Birth 5 Oct 1935
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Marriage
07/06/1958
Children from this marriage
Norma Margaret


Deceased
22 May 2015
Edinburgh


______________________________________________________________
Norma Margaret has + 2 RESTRICTED siblings
EDIT 2 Restricted Siblings would appear to be Susan and Ian
See Norma Beattie Obituary

Name
Norma Margaret Forrest
Gender Female
Birth 27 Oct 1962
246, Gorgie, Road, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Deceased
7 Jun 2020
st Johns Hospital, livingston, West Lothian, Scotland


______________________________________________________________________________
There is only one other listing -referring to the grandchild of one of Norma's siblings
It reads
Name Madeline Rutherford
Gender Female
Birth 07 Jun 2019
Edinburgh

Deceased

If Susan is a great-grandchild, one of her parents would have been Agnes's grandchild.

The first husband's children would be unrelated, if the connection between Susan and OP is Simpson

Agnes Ross is in 15 trees on Ancestry.

The only child of Agnes and Andrew listed in any of the public trees is Margaret Adie Simpson 1920, who married a Rafferty in 1940.

None of Agnes's children with her first husband married anyone named Forrest.