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Elizabeth Smith nee Penny, Malborough b abt1852

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WDYTYA Advisor Report 22 Feb 2013 11:19

Looking for marriage details of Elizabeth to Walter Smith,, met in Beckenham and worked in same house, Albamale House. Can anyone help?


Renes Report 22 Feb 2013 13:12

possible birth
Name: Elizabeth Penny
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1858
Registration district: Marlborough
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 75

EDIT ---- ignore this


Renes Report 22 Feb 2013 14:01

Just read again ----------- MALBOROUGH DEVON try again sorree

Name: Elizabeth Penny
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852
Registration district: Kingsbridge >>>>> Reg District for MALBOROUGH
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 191

Karen in the desert

Karen in the desert Report 22 Feb 2013 15:29

Don't take lack of response as a sign that we are not searching! Believe me, this one is testing!
Do you have any other information on Elizabeth or Walter? Did they always use those names?

The only PENNY & SMITH marriage record I can find is in 1917, Gravesend Kent, Walter Smith and Emily Penny, so is doubtful, and anyway she would have been aged 65 by then!!

Still looking :-)


Joy Report 22 Feb 2013 16:17

Is Albamale House Albemarle House, Albermarle Road, Beckenham?


MaureeninNY Report 22 Feb 2013 16:51

Just for ref:
Are we dealing with these people:

1881 England Census about Elizabeth Smith
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter Henry Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Ashford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Park Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Coach Painters Wife
Registration district: West Ashford
Sub-registration district: Ashford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 946
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Walter Henry Smith 36
Elizabeth Smith 34
Walter Alfred Smith 9
Charles Vaisey Smith 6
Cecil James Smith

The children seem to have PENNY as part of their names.



Renes Report 22 Feb 2013 17:08

I wish we knew if they are talking about ....

Marlborough Wilts.


Malborough Devon


jansmith Report 22 Feb 2013 18:15

can we have child/childrens names /birth place to help sort on a census


WDYTYA Advisor Report 22 Feb 2013 18:21

Hi everyone - Thanks for help so far on this one. We have sent original poster off with details of how to come back to this thread and answer some of the questions.


LadyKira Report 22 Feb 2013 23:25

Not a direct answer but a bit of a gem re Beckenham. Lots of references to Albemerle Road.



SylviaInCanada Report 23 Feb 2013 03:55

out of interest ...................

1881 Census

Name: Walter Henry Smith
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Ware, Hertfordshire, England


Walter Alfred Smith 9 b.ca 1872, Brixton, Surrey
Charles Vaisey Smith 6 b.ca 1875, Hastings, Sussex
Cecil James Smith 1 month, b.1881, Ashford, Kent

of further interest ................

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Vaisey Penny Smith

Name: Charles Vaisey Penny Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Caroline Louise Jones
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Apr 1899
Parish: Walworth St Mark
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Walter Henry Smith, Coach Painter
Spouse Father Name: William Edward Jones, Grocer
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses:- Elizabeth Smith and William Brickell

also, from a tree on ancestry ....................

Elizabeth Penny
Birth abt 1847 in Savernake Forest, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England



SylviaInCanada Report 23 Feb 2013 04:05

Is there a possibility that Penny might NOT be Elizabeth's surname when she married??????

One tree on ancestry has Walter Henry Smith married to Elizabeth SIMMS


Choccy Report 23 Feb 2013 07:32


RG number: RG10
Piece: 872
Folio: 21
Page: 33
Reg. District: Bromley
Sub District: Bromley
Parish: Beckenham
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Copers Cope Road Albermarle House, Beckenham
County: Kent

BENSON, Mary Wife F 52 1819 Worcestershire
BENSON, William Cole Son M 20 1851 London
JOHNSON, Lassie Visitor F 19 1852 Kent
IVES, Herbert Grandson M 4 1867 London
BIRNS, Elizabeth Servant F 32 1839 Essex
>>>>>PENNY, Elizabeth Servant F 26 1845 Wiltshire (Parlourmaid)
BLIDES, Jane Servant F 16 1855 Lincolnshire
>>>>>SMITH, Walter Coachman M 26 1845 Hertfordshire (Coachman)


SylviaInCanada Report 23 Feb 2013 07:56

well done, Choccy!!!


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 23 Feb 2013 08:37

1911 census on Ancestry tree has her widowed. But married 38 years so we are looking for a wedding in 1873

There are bride missing from this one

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
EVEREST Henry Jabez Greenwich 1d 813
GREENSLADE Elizabeth Greenwich 1d 813
SHAKES Henry Richard Greenwich 1d 813
Smith Walter Augustus Greenwich 1d 813
WHITE Priscilla Jane Greenwich 1d 813


Joy Report 23 Feb 2013 08:50

So, between 1871, when he may have been in Deptford, and 1881, they either married or they didn't :)

He is not with Elizabeth in 1901, living in Camberwell.


SylviaInCanada Report 23 Feb 2013 08:55

no, not that Mar 1873

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter Augustus Smith

Name: Walter Augustus Smith <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Priscilla Jane White <<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jan 1873
Parish: Deptford St Nicholas
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Charles Augustus Smith
Register Type: Parish Register


Choccy Report 23 Feb 2013 09:31

possible death

Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)

SMITH Walter Henry 63 Camberwell 1d 656


Unknown Report 12 Jan 2016 21:03

Many of the above Smiths are my great grandparent and gg grandparents. Thanks. You seem to know more than I do. Are any of you related to me. Please get in touch.
Hazel Smith, Toronto


SylviaInCanada Report 13 Jan 2016 00:56


None of us are related to you.

The request was made by a visitor to the 2013 Who Do You Think You Are? (WDYTYA) exhibition in London, who went to the GR booth and submitted the request shown in the first post.

All the other posts are by members of GR who try to help others by searching sites and records elsewhere.

We are also not told who asked the question, so there is no way to recommend how you may contact her/him

This is a fuller reply than the one in response to the private message that you sent to me.