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In searching for the family of Elizabeth Maria Amor b 1864 I found her with father, John, (after whom she named her son) and mother Elizabeth S. I had difficulty finding the marriage until I did a phonetic search and got a marriage between a John Amer and Elizabeth Blomfield in 1855 in Hackney.
This was fine until I started looking for Elizabeth Blomfield's family. I thought I'd found it (as Bloomfield) until I found her still with the family well after she married and had her children. I then went back and looked again for John & Elizabeth S's family in 1871, suddenly noticing a brother-in-law surnamed Spencer. I found a marriage for Amor/Spencer in 1855 also but this was an Ann Maria.
It's further complicated by the fact that, as I found (I thought) the Bloomfield family a distant cousin told me about a Jewish gr gr grandmother, which fits the Bloomfields. What am I to make of this Spencer brother-in-law?
Can anyone untangle this and advise please?

Brother-in-law on censuses doesn't always mean the same as it means now - sometimes it was used to indicate a step-brother. May be Mr Spencer is John's step-brother? Have you gone back further with the Amor family?

Have you found the births of any of John & Elizabeth's children? A birth cert would give you Elizabeth's maiden name.

I take it this is the cencus that you refer to.

1871
Name: Elizabeth Amor
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth S
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 73
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members:
Name Age
John Amor 38
Elizabeth S Amor 38
John Amor 13
George Amor 11
Elizabeth Amor 6
Joseph Amor 4
William Amor 3
Annie Amor 1
Benjamin Spencer 19 brother in law

This your Elizabeth Amor's birth?

Births Jun 1864
AMOR Elizabeth Chard 5C 525

Births Dec 1864
AMOR Elizabeth Pancras 1b 178

No mention of Maria tho?


Tracey x

Is this the correct john Amor in 1861.

Name: John Amor
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Devizes, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members:
Name Age
John Amor 27
Maria Amor 24
John Amor 3
George Amor 1
Elizabeth Spencer 20 sister in law

Could the S in Elizabeth's name be Spencer, which could imply a maternal Surname somewhere....


Tracey x

Could Elizabeth be a Widow?

Marriages Dec 1861

>>Allright Elizabeth Pancras 1b 99
>>Amor John Pancras 1b 99
Charrison George Pancras 1b 99
Davey William Pancras 1b 99
Hole Eleanor Pancras 1b 99

Deaths Sep 1861 (>99%)
Amor Ann Maria Pancras 1b 102

Could ann maria & elizabeth have been sisters.

This Spencer family have daughters Elizabeth S and Anna Maria of the right ages:

1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Sophia Spencer
Name: Elizabeth Sophia Spencer
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Anna Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members: Name Age
George Spencer 37
Anna Maria Spencer 37
Ama Maria Spencer 14
Elizabeth Sophia Spencer 10
George Spencer 5
Wm Hyde 43

JOHN AMOR Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH SOPHIA SPENCER Family
Marriage:
28 OCT 1861 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
>>>>AMOR John Lambeth 1d 425
ANTHONY John Lambeth 1d 425
SMITH Sarah Lambeth 1d 425
>>>>SPENCER Ann Maria Lambeth 1d 425

If he married sisters, he didn't leave it long between losing his wife and marrying her sister?


Tracey x

The John Amor marriage that Tracey found has been mistranscribed.

>>Amor John Pancras 1b 99

The page number should be the 90, which has Elizabeth Sophia Spencer on.

Ahh well spotted,

I think i'm half asleep.... there are 5 people in mine, and i didn't notice lol


Tracey x

Gosh, I'm overwhelmed - thank you all. I'm confident of John & Elizabeth's daughter, Elizabeth Maria, who was born in St Pancras in 1864. She married my g grandfather after he was widowed.
I've just looked again at censuses and I see that in 1861 John & Maria had two sons: John and George , which fits with my family and Elizabeth Spencer is staying/living with them. By 1871 the rest of the family is around: Elizabeth (Maria), Joseph, William & Annie. I like the idea of John marrying a widowed Elizabeth BUT ... he certainly didn't lose any time aboiut it did he? It does look as if Elizabeth & [Ann] Maria were sisters, though I haven't yet found them with a brother, Benjamin. I'll keep looking.
Thanks everyone.

OK here are the family in 1861

Could Benjamin be Peregrin?

1861 England Census
about Perrigrin Spencer
Name: Perrigrin Spencer
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann M
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members: Name Age
George Spencer 47
Ann M Spencer 47
Elizabeth S Spencer 20
George Spencer 15
Perrigrin Spencer 9
Frank E Spencer 7
Frederick Spencer 5


Tracey x

This looks like Anna Maria and Elizabeth's parents in 1861 - but Elizabeth is with them! I thought the son Perrigrin might be Benjamin mistranscribed but the image says Perrigrin.

1861 England Census
about George Spencer
Name: George Spencer
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann M
Gender: Male
Where born: Epping, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members: Name Age
George Spencer 47
Ann M Spencer 47
Elizabeth S Spencer 20
George Spencer 15
Perrigrin Spencer 9
Frank E Spencer 7
Frederick Spencer 5

Looking forward to 1861 there are three more brothers. One of them Perrigrin, born in 1852, which fits with Benjamin recorded with the Amor household in 1871. Might this have been a mis-transcription at the 1871 census? There is a Peregrin Spencer born, but not a Benjamin, in the right time frame.
This doesn't solve the problem of this Jewish gr gr grandmother, though!

Births Dec 1851
SPENCER Peregrin Lambeth 4 306


Tracey x