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Hope everyone had a good Christmas

I am looking for help in finding my mothers auntie Jane. She was born in 1860 in Middlesex,london to George and Mary ann EDMONDS.George was born in 1832 in Scotland and he was a baker and confectioner with businesses in Croydon(where the family home was) and Walton on Thames.

Jane was one of 6 children - George,Mary ann,,walter joseph, William frederick and my grandmother Isabella Joan born in 1875 in Croydon

I have lost track of Jane after 1881 when she was still living in Croydon with her father and working in the bakers shop.

In 1891 only George snr, ( mary ann had died ) Mary ann,Walter and Isabella were all together with sister in law Eliza Case.

In 901 George snr is with Isabella - also working in the family business but there is a Frederick Blake age 19 b in Croydon who is grandson to George and a baker.I have never heard of Frederick and as Jane is the only daughter who I dont know about, I am assuming that she married someone called Blake.I know Mary ann's married name was Broyd and my grandmother Isabella 's married name was williams and I know their children.

Although I have Janes year and place of birth from earlier census I haven;t found a definate record of birth which matches - there is a birth in 1860 in Camberwell but her name is Susannah Jane Edmonds and a Jane Edmonds b 1861 in St Lukes ,Middlesex - so I dont know !

If anyone can throw some light on this I would appreciate it.

Thank you

Rosie

Marriage??


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
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>>>>Blake Frederick James Croydon 2a 323
Boutell William Croydon 2a 323
>>>>Edmonds Susannah Jane Croydon 2a 323
Johnson Sarah Ann Croydon 2a 323


Andy

Birth for Frederick??

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Blake Frederick William Croydon 2a 253


Andy

This looks like the baptism of the 1861 girl:

Jane Edmonds
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 17 Nov 1861
Father's Name: George Jacob Edmonds
Mother's Name: Emma Edmonds
Parish: Saint Luke, Old Street
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

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Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Luke, Old Street, Register of baptisms, P76/LUK, Item 019


Born Oct 26
Address looks like 35 Galway Road
Dad's occupation - coachman.

Jill

1901 census for family?

1891 England Census
about Fred K W Blake
Name: Fred K W Blake
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick J
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick J Blake 29 born Shirley Surrey
Jane Blake 31 born London
Fred K W Blake 6 (Image says Fredk W Blake)

Andy

thats a start- I suppose its posible that Jane was registered as Susannah and recorded as just Jane in the early census forms. Unfortunalely my ancestry sub has expired and I wont be renewing it until I return to the Uk around April so I'm relying on my faithful researchers to help me out.

Thanks

1861 census.

Mum's name does look like Morgan on the image but could equally be a squashed Maryan. Dad born Scotland and is a master baker so all else seems to fit. Jane therefore born Camberwell:

Jane Edmonds
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Morgan
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
George Edmonds 29
Morgan Edmonds 28
George Edmonds 2
Jane Edmonds 1
William Case 19
Elizabeth Minall 14

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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 385; Folio: 85; Page: 30; GSU roll: 542627.

This looks like the LMA record for Sussanah Jane, missspelt

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Susannah Jane Edward
Name: Susannah Jane Edward
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Nov 1861
Father's Name: George Edward
Mother's Name: Mary Anne Edward
Parish: Saint George, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Parents names correct, George is a Baker.

Address 4 Eden Place Old Kent Road.

Also baptisted same day were George and Mary Anne.

Sorry Mrs grumpy - George was definately a baker - I have family memoriabilia and references to the businesses and he was married to Mary ann Case- who has been mistranscribed as Morgan

Re the Blakes - this is possible - cheers

I'm still here if anyone finds anything else x

Bingo Andrew!!

Just checked the address for the 1861 and it's

"4 Eden Place O.K.R."

Jill

Hi Rosie

Didn't think the 1861 girl was correct but could not spot the 1860 child, so posted the 1861 for you to eliminate her!

Jill

Result!

I do like it when a plan comes together.

Andy

good thinking Mrs Grumpy - by the way I thought I was the only Mrs Grumpy at Christmas - I hate it !!

Back to that 1861 again -

William Case - aged 19 - shows as a servant, baker's assistant. He was born in Dorset - Wootton Fitzhaine(?).

Mary Ann (wife) was born in the same place - and I found this marriage:

Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%)
CASE Mary Ann Camberwell 1d 496 Scan available - click to view
DOUSE Jane Dorcas Camberwell 1d 496 Scan available - click to view
DURRANT John James Camberwell 1d 496 Scan available - click to view
EDMONDS George Camberwell 1d 496 Scan available - click to view


Will go and rummage in Ancestry parish records to see if I can spot it there to confirm George's occupation etc.

Jill

Here's the marriage:

Mary Ann Case
Spouse Name: George Edmonds
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Feb 1858
Parish: Saint George, Camberwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Joseph Case
Spouse Father Name: George Edmonds

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Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George, Camberwell, Register of marriages, P73/GEO, Item 028


Address for both is Southampton Street
George is a baker
George's father is a labourer
Mary's father is a blacksmith
Witnesses - James Simpson and Eliza Case.

Jill

Do you think that Edmonds has been mistranscribed as Edwards or am not thinking straight - must be the sun!

If the information was given verbally it's possible that the vicar/clerk or whoever wrote it down wrote it down incorrectly.

It's also possible that the vicar made a rough note at the time of the baptisms and then copying it out tidily later couldn't read the handwriting.

Either way they are very similar names.

Jill

Do you think that Edmonds was mistranscribed as Edwards on Jane's baptism or am I having one of my days!

Marriage for George and Mary Ann is correct

Just ignore this - I didnt think it sent the first one!

I've just looked at the image for the baptisms. All 3 November.

In order they are:

Mary Anne (b. 4 Oct 1861) looks like Edmonds
George (b. 1 Feb 1859) - to me it looks like Edmonds but the M is a bit squashed so someone could read that as a W.
Susannah Jane (b. 23 Feb 1860) - looking at that one in isolation it looks like Edwards - but taking into account the other two baptisms it is Edmonds. It's on the top of the right hand page (double-page spread) and the other two entries are at the bottom of the left hand page.

Jill

The address ties the 3 baptisms to the 1861 census anyway.

Andy