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Henry Piedgeon George was born around 1806 he possibly married a Sarah Rimes(but we need this confirmed). His trade was a wool merchant and he travelled the country in a horse & trap. His son was my great grandfather Edward George who married Jane Mossman. One of his sons we believe emigrated to Australia and there is possibly a large George family living in Melbourne now but we have lost contact with them now.

It would be good if anyone could confirm if my Great great grandmother was Sarah Rimes also more info about Henry, where he lived etc.

Sheila

Edward Georges birth certificate would give his mothers full maiden name - if he was born before 1837 then does he have younger siblings born after that date?

Why do you think that the wifes name was Rimes? Where/when was Edward born? How do you know Henry had that middle name and his rough year of birth?

no Heather
Henry Piedgeon George was married to Sarah Rimes as far as I know.
Edward George his son was married to Jane E Mossman, the latter is confirmed.
My Uncle Alf has the marriage cert. of Edward George and Jane Mossman.
Edward died in Nov 1894 due to an accident on Paddington Station where he worked as possibly the Deputy Station master. Very sad as it left poor Jane to live on a railway widows pension.She lived to a good age of 91 in 1939.

Any connections
Sheila

So when was Edward born and where?

Is this his death? What I am trying to do is find his birth certificate from which you can confirm or otherwise your doubts over his parents and also find them together on the census info.

Edward George
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 45
District: Paddington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 42

We may be lucky with that death cert - it gives a birth year of 1849 ish and here we have an Edward with a father Henry, a commercial traveller and mother Sarah: 1851
What do you think? Where did you get that birth year for Henry (who is the right job for this guy)

Name: Edward George
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Edward George 2
Ellen George 3
Emma George 5
Henry George 31
Henry George 7
Sarah George 31
Eliza Gilby 14
Matilda Hammond 25
William Hammond 4 Mo
James Howel 15
William Howel 20


Oh Brilliant - through that info we have THE marriage (you were throwing us with that incorrect birth year): You can buy the cert using the following ref

Marriages Dec 1842
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DOLBEY Joseph Hackney 3 111
>>>>>GEORGE Henry Pidgeon Hackney 3 111
Hook James Hackney 3 111
LAST Abi Hackney 3 111
Murray George Hackney 3 111
>>>>>>Rimes Sarah Hackney 3 111
Sayers Rebecca Hackney 3 111
SMITH Mary Hackney 3 111


I think this is the family in 1861 - Edward transcribed as Edmund

Father Henry still shown as commercial traveller. Sarah shown born Oxford. The visitor Kate is from Oxford.

Name: Henry George
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: London City, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund George 12
Ellen George 13
Emma George 15
Henry George 39
Sarah George 39
Kate Williams 26

Three beers for Heather! So were these the right folks, and the searching around was worthwhile? Won't know for sure until a certificate or two comes in the mail, I guess. Hope Sheila keeps the assembled masses posted. ;)


(KB as was)

Sheila -- have you tried the Australian phone directory on line?

http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSearch.do

There is a load o' George listings in Victoria, but only 5 in Melbourne itself. If you have any idea of first names, you might be able to narrow the search results.

Thanks most of this info ties up but what I need to know is who were Henry Piedgion and sarah's parents..

Any idea

Sheila

A "thanks ... but". Nothing like it.


Sheila, did you see what Heather gave you?

Any idea of who their parents were? Well, not offhand ... but if you ORDER THEIR MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE, you will get their fathers' names.

What Heather gave you two weeks ago:


Marriages Dec 1842

DOLBEY Joseph Hackney 3 111
>>>>>GEORGE Henry Pidgeon Hackney 3 111
Hook James Hackney 3 111
LAST Abi Hackney 3 111
Murray George Hackney 3 111
>>>>>>Rimes Sarah Hackney 3 111
Sayers Rebecca Hackney 3 111
SMITH Mary Hackney 3 111


To help you out, this is the info for ordering the certificate.

Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Year: 1842
Name: GEORGE Henry Pidgeon
District: Hackney
Volume: 3
Page: 111


If you'd ordered it then, you'd know by now.

Once you know the fathers' names, you *might* be able to identify them in the 1841 census if they're in their parents' households.

I have to say I was pretty chuffed with finding all that stuff and happy to spend ages looking for it, but you will have to spend some money to get certificates in this research. As Kath said, you would have the fathers names and occupations on that certificate and the witnesses - all clues to the previous generation.

Hello Sheila
I hope you are still searching for Henry Pidgeon George. I am descended from his son, Henry Frederick George, who of course was a brother to your Edward. Henry Frederick George was the son who immigrated to Australia.

If you would like to know more about the family as I would, I will only be to pleased to swap inofrmation.

Yvonne

Yvonne

I should send Sheila a pm (personal message) ........ she doesn't appear to have returned to the thread.

just click on her name and type the message in the box.

GR will then send her an email to say that there is a pm wating for her.


You're more likely to get a response from her that way!!


sylvia

Good luck to Yvonne. Sheila sure didn't have much to say to Heather for all the work she did for her.

Thanks Sylvia and Janey for your responses.

I sent Sheila a personal message and she has replied so let's hope we have a long and happy correspondence.

Yvonne

Thank you all for your help especially Yvonne who contacted me direct. I am sorry that I was not responsive enough at the time but I was having a lot of trouble accessing on Genes. I have now updated to Gold with them and am finding it easier. I have the marriage certificate of Henry Pidgeon George and Sarah Rimes but his fathers name and surname are not on it .Also he and Sarah both resided at the same address when they married. I now have to go to another site as Genes does not show birth records before 1837 I presume I might have to go to the parish records.
Once again thanks to you all.
Sheila

With no father's name on his marriage certificate and a surname for a middle name, there is a very good chance his parents were not married -- his mother was Ms. George and his father was Mr. Pidgeon. That is a common naming pattern.

Henry was baptised as an adult.

Name: Henry Pidgeon George
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 18 Mar 1842
Mother's Name: George
Parish: St John at Hackney
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John At Hackney, Hackney, Register of baptisms, P79/JN1, Item 035.

The register notes it was an adult baptism, details of parents are 'not known'. occupation (of parents) not known. Surname given as George. His abode is given as Dalston. A note says 'reported born Dec 26th 1819'.

Huh!

My gr-grfather's brother was baptised as an adult, but that was obviously in contemplation of death. He died a few weeks later of tuberculosis. He'd managed to get married about 2 years before without being baptised - or at least not CofE, anyway.

Henry was baptised 8 to 10 months before he married. I wonder whether that was the impetus?

Probably. I've seen other instances where adult baptism precedes a marriage.