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My paternal gt grandmother was Alice Horrocks b1852 Salford. She had a sister Elizabeth and I think they both married Taylors, James and his eldest brother Joseph respectively. Sister Mary H Hoorocks lives with Joseph and Elizabeth in the 1881 census. Another GRU tree confirms this but says the girls parents are John Horrocks and Sarah Croft (and takes the Crofts way back)
but I cannot ratify this. The only thing I do know is that the mother dies or leaves and John remarries in 1854 a Maria (Harding?) who can be found with the girls but widowed in the 1861 census.
If anyone can help clarify and also take the Horrocks back further I would be grateful.

You could start by buying the birth cert. for the girls, that will give you their mothers name!

Buy the marriage cert for the person of whom you are certain i.e. Alice

That will tell you the name and occupation of her father

Relying on anyone's research other than your own is liable to lead you down wrong lines.

How do you know the names of her 'sisters' if you aren't sure of her parentage?

Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Horrocks Alice Salford 20 982



No Alice birth registered in Salford in 1852.

Three Alices in 1861 census - the child whose mother is Sarah was born 1848/9

Alice Horrocks Sarah abt 1849 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Salford, Lancashire

Alice Horrocks Thomas,
Martha abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Ardwick, Lancashire

Alice Horrocks Maria abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Salford, Lancashire


You really need to get firm facts based on documentary evidence, which means buying certs.

Order before the price goes up next month

Is this your Alice please?

1871 census

Name: Alice Horrocks
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
William Horrock 34
Esther Horrock 32
Joseph Horrock 8
Mary H Horrocks 25
Alice Horrocks 19 Weaver

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4008; Folio: 27; Page: 14; GSU roll: 846104.

1861 census show three Alice Horrocks born Salford, one mother Maria and another mother Sarah?

Alice Horrocks Thomas,Martha abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Ardwick, Lancashire

Alice Horrocks Maria abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Salford, Lancashire

Alice Horrocks Sarah abt 1849 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Salford, Lancashire

so maybe the confusion comes from there.

Snap, Flick!

This one has sister Elizabeth, so is this the one you think is yours?
1861
Name: Alice Horrocks
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 55 Bridgewater Street

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Horrocks 54 born: Potterne, Staffordshire - Widow
Martha Horrocks 19
Mary A Horrocks 15
Elizabeth Horrocks 13
Alice Horrocks 10
Maria Walker 2

That looks hopeful, Catherine! That 1871 census I posted also has a sister Mary living with William and his wife - and the ages fit with your 1861 census.

Do you have Alices exact date of birth?

This looks to be the christening for the Alice with parents John and Sarah:-

ALICE HORROCKS
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 MAY 1851 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England


Parents:
Father: JOHN HORROCKS
Mother: SARAH

so if she was born after this date, then her mother was not Sarah.


Mary H. Horrocks seems to be a constant so here's her birth:-
Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
HORROCKS Mary Hannah Salford 20 931

Possible death for Maria which would explain Alice and Mary living with their brother in 1871?

Deaths Dec 1864 (>99%)
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Horrocks Maria Salford 8d 39

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
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HORROCKS Mary Hannah Salford 20 931

Sorry rootgather, just added the birth onto my other posting to keep things together. Wasn't trying to cheat.

That's ok Catherine - I'll leave mine on so your post doesn't look silly.

We could do with Harold coming back!

I think this would be easily solved by buying either a marriage certificate or better still buying the birth certificate to confirm both parents names - no shortcuts using anyone else's research.

I made that mistake when I first started and ended up doing a whole branch of the family over again.
I always buy the certs now to be absolutely sure. Gets expensive but it's worth it especially when you have several possibilities.

Harold, you seem to have the marriage cert. for John and Maria so could you give us some more info on John, please.
His profession, his date of birth, what was his address at the time of the marriage?

This would be the marriage for John to Sarah Croft:-

JOHN HORROCKS
Male

Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH CROFT
Marriage: 25 MAY 1828 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

The Alice with mum Sarah on 1861 census who maybe Sarah nee Croft in 1871 Sarah age 72 is with Joseph Long born Liverpool 1830
Sarah long 1843 nee Horrocks !!!
Alice S Horrocks born 1849 cotton worker,so that Alice had a middle name.
Address Guardian Street Greengate district 36 image 32.

1861 Sarah and Alice plus family were at 19,Fleet Street greengate d23 image 34.

Maryb

This looks to be the John and Sarah in 1841:-

Name: John Harrick
[John Horrocks]
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: looks like (Wootham Street)

Occupation: Painter

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Harrick 40
Sarah Harrick 40
Thomas Harrick 13
Betty Harrick 14
Henry Harrick 6
Cathrine Harrick 10
Jae Harrick 15
Francis 1

FRANCIS HORROCKS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JAN 1840 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father: JOHN HORROCKS
Mother: SARAH


same family in 1851:-
Name: John Horrocks
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Painter

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ll
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members:
Name Age
John Horrocks 51
Sarah Horrocks 51
France Horrocks 10
Henry Horrocks 20