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Hi, I have on my tree John Leitch and wife Ann or Agnes Morrison, from Old Monkland in Larnark, Their daughter Christina was my gt gt grandmother who married into the Munro family. Regards
Heather

Quite common for single mother to name child with reputed fathers surname...particularly if he acknowledge the child.....I have several cases in my tree including my great grandfather...

Would be unusual for the brides father to sign a marriage cert.....more likely to be her brother John

Just to add, on the marriage cert for Catherine Mary Leitch to Colin Shiels, the witnesses who signed the register were Annie Leitch and John Leitch ( would this not be her father and sister?)

Barbara,

I meant to add, My Great grandmother Catherine Mary Leitch 1883 of Muthill, Perth was married to Colin Shiels 1893-1973 (they were married on 28/04/1916 - District of St George, Edinburgh).

Many Thanks
Emma xx

Hi Ladies, thank you for all your help with this one, it really has been puzzling me! According to my Great Great Grandad's marriage cert. the mother and father are definately shown as Thomas Leitch (Reputed) & Magdalene Cameron. If Thomas was the reputed father would it still be quite normal for Magdalene to have named her son as a Leitch after his father, nowadays would it not be more common for a single mother to give her own surname to her child?? I am going to try and steal some time tomorrow night when the kids are in bed and have a look at some of the info you have sent me. I'm like a dog with a bone with this one!!!
Thanks so much again for all your help!
Best Wishes
Emma

There is this submitted record on the IGI - but it is also on Scotlandspeople:

JOHN LEITCH Pedigree
Birth: 06 OCT 1849 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

Parents:
Father: THOMAS LEITCH Family
Mother: ANN CAMERON

Possibly the Magdalene is a red herring? John does not seem to have ever known his parents. Maybe his grandparents called his mother Magdalene, ie "fallen woman", because he was born out of wedlock?

Hi
I can't find much more on census --

Does the marriage certs on Scotlands people show parents ?

I was just wondering if Catherine's (b c1883) marriage showed anything else ? Not sure who she married though. but Emma should know.

Best wishes
Barbara xx

So, that is probably him in the 1851, with grandparents William and Catherine and his father, Thomas, the one christened in 1821. I cannot find the family in 1841! I wonder if both Thomas and Magdalene died. There is a CD available with memorial inscriptions from Fowlis Wester. I wonder if there would be any thing in that?

http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D13565&breadcrumb=Commercial+Suppliers:Scottish+Monumental+Inscriptions

1861 census.....just to complete the set.....lol

Name: John Leitch
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Fowlis Wester, Perthshire
Registration Number: 375
Registration district: Logie Buchan
Civil parish: Logie Buchan
County: Perthshire
Address: Upper Culmicloich
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 8
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_50
Household Members:
Name Age
William Leitch 75
Catherine Leitch 65
Margaret Leitch 35
Catherine Leitch 28
John Leitch 10
John Steel 11

Address is Culnacloich, Fowlis Wester.....same as census records...( allowing for the poor transcriptions)

Is there an address for John on his marriage cert?

John in 1871?:

1871 Scotland Census
about John Leitch
Name: John Leitch
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Fowlis Wester, Perthshire
Registration Number: 375
Registration district: Logiealmond
Civil parish: Fowlis Wester
County: Perthshire
Address: Caluaelich
Occupation: Farm Servt
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_65
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Leitch 78
Margaret Leitch 60
John Leitch 20
William McKiale 4
Robert Taylor 15

I don't think Thomas, 58 in 1891 and Margaret, 45, in 1891 can be the parents of John, 50 in 1891.

I have tried.....without success... to find the Thomas and Margaret from 1891 census on other census records

Assuming that is the right family in 1851, could this be Thomas's birth:

THOMAS LIETCH Pedigree
Christening: 27 NOV 1820 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
Parents:
Father: WILLM. LIETCH Family
Mother: CATHRINE DUFF

Other children of William and Catherine:

3. HELEN MURRAY LEITCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 DEC 1826 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

4. MARGARET LIETCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 OCT 1823 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

5. WILLIAM LEITCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 OCT 1832 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

6. CATHARINE LEITCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 FEB 1829 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

7. JOHN LIETCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 APR 1822 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland


9. EUPHEMIA LIETCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 NOV 1830 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland

1890 LEITCH EUPHEMIA F HAMILTON /LANARK

I took a look at the above birth and this confirms that the 1891 census posted by Barbara is the same family as the marriage record

Hi Emma

It was "Aileen " who come up with the things I couldn't find without credits --marriage deaths etc -- thank you Aileen great research.


I wonder if Magdalene was the Margaret as in the 1891 census where "Lizzie" was granddaughter ?? What do you think ?

I will have a look at other Census and see what I can find

Best wishes
Barbara

A poss. for 1881 census--again Mistranscribed ?

1881 Scotland Census 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Helen Lutch
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Muthil
Registration Number: 375
Registration district: Logiealmond
Civil parish: Fowlis Wester
County: Perthshire
Address: Cunlaclich
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 17
Roll: cssct1881_106
Household Members: Name Age
John Lutch 30 --Farmer 45--Fowlis W, Perthe
Helen Lutch 22 ---Muthil
Margret Lutch 18 Months---Fowlis W, Perthe
Elizabeth Lutch 5 Months---Fowlis W, Perthe
Helen Gardener 17 --General Servant---Alloa, Stirlingshire




Source Citation: Parish: Fowlis Wester; ED: 1; Page: 5; Line: 17; Roll cssct1881_106; Year: 1881.

Hi Barbara!

This information is fantastic, thank you so much!

I checked out the marriage cert. on Scotlands People for John Leitch & Ellen Robertson and it shows Thomas Leitch as being the reputed father of Magdalene Cameron's child (John Leitch) but on digging further, the only census I have come up with is for 30/03/1851 Fowlis Wester, I think this may have the correct Thomas Leitch (Age 50) and it also has a John Leitch (Age 2) but I cannot find any census records which have a Magdalene Cameron & John Leitch in the same household, and so far I've been unable to pinpoint a potential Magdalene Cameron who would fit the right age range.
I must admit I am still very much a novice in trying to put some of this information together when I find records. Maybe you might be able to point me in the right direction with that one?
Many Thanks for all your help, it's taken me about 4 years to move forward with this side of the family! I am very grateful for the help you have given me!
Kind Regards
Emma

Possible 1851 census for John Leitch

Name: John Leitch
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Auchterarder, Perth
Parish Number: 357
Civil parish: Fowlis Wester
County: Perthshire
Address: Upper Calonacloich
Occupation: Farmer's Grand Loom
ED: 7
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_75
Household Members:
Name Age
William Leitch 64
Catherine Leitch 56
Margaret Leitch 26
Catherine Leitch 21
Euphemia Leitch 19
William Leitch 17
John Leitch 1
Margaret Stewart 72