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Looking for the parents and origins of James London, born 4 Jan 1891, ostensibly in London.

Can find a James London (b 1891) living with his brother Henry (b 1880, married to an Alice ??????) and sister Frances (b1894) in the 1911 census at 9 Melton Street, St Pancras.

Cannot find any of them in previous censuses.

Notice in the census that it states Henry was born in London, St Luke. However in the column after that it says British Subject (strange!!)

Does this mean he was actually born outside of the UK and aquired British citizenship somehow ?

Can anyone shed some light on where they might have originated ?

Stuart

Stuart,

Where did you get the date & place of birth for James?

Ann

Hi Ann

From his attestation documents for the Canadian Army in WW1

Regards
Stuart

He joined the 75th Battalion Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force on 8 Sept 1915.

Regards
Stuart

Could this be him?

1901 census transcription details for: 95, Queensland Road, Islington
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 201 Folio: 122 Page: 17

Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Highbury
Enum. District: 34 Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas
Parish: Islington City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 95, Queensland Road, Islington
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
LONDON, Abraham Head Married M 45 1856 French Polisher
Somers Town
London
LONDON, Amelia Wife Married F 42 1859
Poole
Dorsetshire
LONDON, Florence Daughter Single F 14 1887
St Lukes
London
LONDON, James Son Single M 12 1889
St Lukes
London
LONDON, Theresa Daughter Single F 7 1894
Islington
London
LONDON, Norah Daughter Single F 5 1896
Islington
London
LONDON, Daniel Son Single M 2 1899
Islington


Liz

Hi Liz,

Could well be. I will check it out tomorrow.

Regards
Stuart

have you found his marriage?

Not this girl by any chance: Just that the fathers name ties in with the above census

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Name: James London
Marriage County: York


Name: James London
Spouse: Mary Tomkins
Father: James Tomkins
Abraham London

Hi Heather,

Wow thanks for that! I have been looking for Mary Tomkins for some time now.
This will begin to close a loop that has been difficult to track down

Regards
Stuart

Here are a couple of records for Abraham that might help.


1861 census transcription details for: 11, Caroline Street, Pancras
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 115 Folio: 131 Page: 26

Reg. District: Pancras Sub District: 5 Camden Town
Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: St Stephens
Parish: Pancras City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Caroline Street, Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
LONDON, Philip Head Married M 44 1817 Tailor
Dorsetshire
LONDON, Margaret Wife Married F 36 1825
St Pancras
Middlesex
LONDON, John Son M 11 1850 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex
LONDON, Philip Son M 8 1853 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex
LONDON, Abraham Son M 6 1855 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex
LONDON, Charles Son M 3 1858
St Pancras
Middlesex
LONDON, George Son M 1 1860
St Pancras
Middlesex




1871 census transcription details for: Wilsted Court Cottages, Pancras
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 227 Folio: 20 Page: 33

Reg. District: Pancras Sub District: Somers Town
Enum. District: 18 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Pancras City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Wilsted Court Cottages, Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
LONDON, Phillip Head M 56 1815 tailor, b Shaftesbury, Dorset
LONDON, Margt Wife F 47 1824 London
LONDON, Phillip Son M 18 1853 porter, London
LONDON, Abraham Son M 16 1855 messenger telegraph dept, London
LONDON, George Son M 11 1860 London

Here's the marriage that Heather found for you and I notice that Mary London, wife, was on his attestation papers and he was a painter.


Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about James London
Name: James London
Birth Place: London England
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Father Name: Abraham London
Mother Name: Amelia Skimer (should be Skinner)
Spouse Name: Mary Tomkins
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Birth Place: London
Spouse Father Name: James Tomkins
Spouse Mother Name: Margaret Clifferd (should be Clifford)
Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1913
Marriage Place: York
Marriage County: York
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_284

Liz,

Fantastic. That is a match for Mary Tomkins parents, and pretty close for James London's parents. I have her birth cert for 18 Feb 1893 with those parents.

Can you see any children from the Mary Tomkins_James London marriage ??

Regards
Stuart

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about James London
Name: James London
Arrival Date: 28 Oct 1912
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1891
Birthplace: London
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, USA
Record has photo?: No


He was an exhibition fitter, resident at 195 Vinetta? Street, Montreal and had no relatives in Canada. He was travelling to Buffalo, NY for temp work.




Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about James London
Name: James London
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Date of Arrival: 15 Jul 1912
Vessel: Lake Manitoba
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lake Manitoba' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4788


He was a fitter.

There's a death in York Ontario of John Patrick London, born 19 Jan. 1928, Canada, died 31 Dec. 1928, York, Ontario, Canada, age 11 months. Parents are James London & Mary Tompkins.

Hi Margaret,

Thanks for your response.

John, John Patrick, Patrick, and Patrick John run the family as christian names (on the Clifford side, Mary's mother).

Also the parents names of John London and Mary Tompkins is not a mile away from what is on the marriage cert Liz found.

It does seem a long while after the marriage ( 1913) though !!
Anyway all things are possible.

Regards
Stuart

No contraception readily available then Stuart - people carried on producing children until they were no longer able to or died.


Glad the marriage came up trumps.

Do we have this?



ABRAHAM LONDON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
30 MAR 1855
Christening:
19 APR 1855 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PHILIP LONDON Family
Mother: MARGARET

His elder bro:

PHILIP LONDON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
01 JUL 1852
Christening:
10 OCT 1858 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PHILIP LONDON Family
Mother: MARGARET


JOHN LONDON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
28 MAR 1850
Christening:
10 OCT 1858 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PHILIP LONDON Family
Mother: MARGARET

CHARLES LONDON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
21 JUN 1857
Christening:
10 OCT 1858 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PHILIP LONDON Family
Mother: MARGARET


In the same parish there is another London family

CLARK ROBERT LEEDER LONDON Family
Mother: JANE

1851:

Name: Philip E London
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip E London 36
Margaret London 33
John London 1
Alfred Smith 17

Alfred Smith is a nephew.

Phillip and Margarets marriage, by the looks of it. Looking at her age and his - hmm, could be a second marriage. Get the cert though.

Marriages Jun 1849


London Philip Marylebone 1 246
Lorimer Margaret Marylebone 1 246 -


Cor, I could do this one all day - I reckon that name is going to go a good few centuries back - traceable - but I have to do some paid work AND I dont want to spoil it for you to find yourself.

Hi All,

Well if you are looking for a name in the census searches this will be an eyeopener.

I was looking for the Abraham London and his wfe Amelia London.

In the 1901 census they turn up as Lendon

In the 1891 census they turn up as Londorn

In the 1881 census they turn up as Sondon

Little wonder searching the archives is such a time consuming past time

I have requested corrections for all three entries at Ancestry.co.uk.
See what happens !!

Regards
Stuart

L and S is a common problem on transcriptions.

Did you see Abes parents above?

Hi Heather,

Thanks for all the info. Some of it I had gleaned from the census reports and Free BMD site. The second marriage is a possiblility.

I guess you professionals have access to all the good sites and documents !!!

Its been a fascinating excursion over the years, and have met up with some wonderful people ready to share their experiences.

The Canadian side of the family now seems very interesting. I may have to splash out some money and access some of theit archives.

My ultimate goal is find the wherabouts of Margaret Clifford after the 1911 census.

Regards
Stuart

LOL, we arent professionals (we's be charging you if we were!). Nope, if you read the thread Absolute Basics for Beginners - I will bump it up for you - then you will see the basics for researching.