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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 15:03 |
More from the sugarbakers database I think you need to check 1851 census
WELBROCK Cord - (birth cert of daughter) (1 Pell St) London 1840 FTM2008 WELBROCK Cort of Osterholtz - (2 Pell Place, 3 Pell St) London 1845-8 St George's Ger Luth Ch Regs WELBROCK Diederich of Germany (age 29) E Goodhart Son & Co Horseferry Rd, Stepney London 1851 1851 census HO107/1554/347 WELBROCK George of Prussia (age 17) (son of John) (5 Christian St) London 1871 1871 census RG10 /529 /62 WELBROCK George of Hanover (age 27) 57 Betts St London 1851 1851 census HO107/1547/47 WELBROCK Johann Hinrich - (marriage) Stepney London 1848 David Warncken - family research WELBROCK Johann Hinrich of Hamdon - (5 North St) London 1849 St George's Ger Luth Ch Regs WELBROCK Johann Hinrich of Hendam Osterholz (naturalisation) (arrived 1839) (5 Christian St + Scarborough Arms St Marks St Whitechapel) London 1873 TNA HO 45/9352/27933 (KB) WELBROCK John of Hanover (age 37) (5 Christian St) London 1871 1871 census RG10 /529 /62 WELBROCK Martin of Hanover (age 51) Friend & Boden 16 Fieldgate St London 1851 1851 census HO107/1545/468 WELBROCK Martin of Germany (age 50) (1 Gloucester St) London 1851 1851 census HO107/1552/88
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 14:42 |
This is also from the sugar bakers database
WELBROK Martin of Germany (age 19) (died 1919 in NZ) - to NZ 1872 Archives NZ (RW)
http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarwwae.html
Looks like your one explains why I cannot find him in England
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 14:27 |
You were interested in this marriage from your other thread. I presume you think it may be the NZ Martin c1853 's father but the marriage is a little late. If Parents were not married when he was born may he have been given his mother's name at birth.
Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hanley Mary Maria Whitechapel 1c 803 MIDDLETON Elizabeth Whitechapel 1c 803 Middleton Elizabeth Whitechapel 1c 803 Pickard John Whitechapel 1c 803 Wellbrook Martin Whitechapel 1c 803
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 14:03 |
There is no other Martin wellbrock born c1853 on the census returns only the one that remains in UK and marries Louisa.
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Eileen
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5 May 2009 13:55 |
In 1871 there is a Martin Henry Wellbrook at 27 Hyde Street St Paul's Deptford. He is 18 born Poplar( part or very near Stepney) Engine fitter lodger. RG10 piece744 Folio 64 page 16 Eileen
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AnnCardiff
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5 May 2009 13:37 |
this is a duplicate posting!!! grrrrrrrr
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:33 |
even better
MARTIN WELLBROCK Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 17 NOV 1797 Scharmbeck Osterholz, Hannover, Preussen Parents: Father: MARTEN WELLBROCK Family Mother: AGENTE SCHMONSEES
Messages: Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number. Source Information: Batch Number: 8701623 Sheet: 03 Source Call No.: 1396300 Type: Film
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:31 |
possible Martin Wellbrock Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 24 APR 1810 Gnarrenburg,Ostersode, Bremervoerde, Hannover, Preussen Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Catharina Stelljes Family Marriage: 06 DEC 1833 Gnarrenburg,Nordsode, Bremervoerde, Hannover, Preussen
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:24 |
from the sugarbaker database
WELLBROCK Conrad foreign (age 25) Ratcliff Highway London 1841 1841 census HO107 /696/ 5/ 9 WELLBROCK Johann Heinrich of Altendamm, Amt Osterholz - - London 1832-50 Horst Roessler - research WELLBROOK Francis of Germany (charged with cutting & wounding) (offence in Betts St) London 1873 The Times WELLBROOK Henry Foreign (age 20) Horseferry Rd, Limehouse London 1841 1841 census H107 /701 /7 /38 WELLBROOK Marten of Nordsode, Amt Osterholz - - to London 1815 Horst Roessler - research WELLENBROCK Heinrich of Zeven - - to London 1848 Metzner - Shipping Lists
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:15 |
no that cannot be right
1881 Address: Weybourne Lane, Farnham WELBROOK, Martin Head Married M 29 1852 Engine Fitter Whitechapel Middlesex WELBROOK, Louisa Wife Married F 28 1853 Bridgewater Somerset WELBROOK, Louisa J Daughter Single F 7 1874 Newcross Kent WELBROOK, Edith E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Newcross Kent WELBROOK, Eva J Daughter Single F 2 1879 Farnham Surrey
1891 Address: 5, ?, Saunders Road, Plumstead WELBROCK, Martin Head Married M 39 1852 Engine Fitter Bethnal Green London WELBROCK, Louisa Wife Married F 37 1854 Bridgwater Somersetshire WELBROCK, Edith Daughter F 16 1875 Teacher Of Music Deptford London WELBROCK, Minnie Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Westham WELBROCK, Martie Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Plumstead London WELBROCK, Leah Daughter F 2 1889 Plumstead London
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David
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5 May 2009 13:09 |
Yes trying to research Martin spelt WeLLbrock but the name is also listed in the Genes Reunited records as Wellbrook, so it becomes very confusing. Stepney because I thought I would start in the early 1880's and find someone connected to the sugar bakers and came across martin wellbrock also spelt wellbrook born 1801 in Germany. Our ancestors are German and work from there. Ireland because there was thought in the family that she was Irish. probably wrong though
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:07 |
looks like he married before he left
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COLLINS George John St. Olave 1d 365 POPE Elizabeth Ann St. Olave 1d 365 Webber Louisa Jane St. Olave 1d 365 Welbrock Martin Henry St. Olave 1d 365
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:03 |
So Martin Henry 1851 looks possible but father listed as Henry
1871 Address: Hyde Street, St Paul, Deptford WELBROCK, Martin Henry Lodger M 19 1852 Middlesex BOULTON, Henry Boarder M 60 1811 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 12:52 |
So you actually researching Martin Welbrock c1853. How did Stepney and Ireland come into you thinking?
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David
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5 May 2009 12:45 |
Christine this is all I know. Martin WELBROK arrived in Canterbury New Zealand in 1872 at the age of 19 on the "Pleiades" from London listed as a sugar baker. In 1877 he sailed to Invercargill and was known as Wellbrook or Wellbrock. He married in 1882 . His marriage cert says Martin Wellbrock and descendants are all Wellbrocks. His father is listed as Martin and mother Mary
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 11:01 |
These are the siblings of Martin Thomas 1827
1. MARY ANN WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1831 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 2. GEORGE WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 AUG 1827 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 3. MARTIN THOMAS WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 AUG 1827 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 4. ROBERT HENRY WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUL 1833 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:56 |
David How did you arrive at Martin, Do you have other info regarding siblings children etc,? Or is he a spouse of someone in your tree? I have looked for anything related to Martin and born Stepney but I have not come up with obvious links, Why do you think he may have married in Ireland. I think you know more than you are telling. You have certainly not given me anything to link him to.
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:48 |
I am not sure that the 1852 Matrin is his son
MARTIN HENRY WELBROOK Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: 24 DEC 1851 Christening: 08 FEB 1852 Saint Andrew, Bethnal Green, London, England Parents: Father: HENRY WELBROOK Family Mother: MARY ANN Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: : C037601
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:43 |
could this be his father
1841bAddress: Fieldgate Street, St Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets BUCK, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW FUSELER, Clous M 40 1801 Foreign VIEW WALBROOK, Martin M 40 1801 Foreign VIEW SEAGAR, Clous M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SCHODE, Fruend M 35 1806 Foreign VIEW SCHROEDER, Titiar M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MULLER, Luar M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SCRODER, Carstan M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW OLESHARE, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW WALLACE, John M 27 1814 Foreign VIEW MOLTON, Gifford M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW HOLLINGS, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MUREHOUS, Clous M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW WILSHANDSON, Henry M 45 1796 Foreign
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Ricochet
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5 May 2009 10:40 |
Buy the death cert, to find out who registered it.
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