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David
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5 May 2009 09:27 |
He was born in 1827, Stepney London and died 1893. There was a Martin born in 1852/53/54 who may have been his son. Can find a Martin marrying in Dec 1860 but would like to find out who to and what children they had. Maybe Martin (born 1827) married in Ireland. How do I find info for Irish marriages.
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Penny
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5 May 2009 09:42 |
who registered his death?
No obvious martin Wellbrook on 1861 census - not England anyway
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:17 |
There are not many maches on the censuses. Thought you might find this one interesting.
1881 Address: "infirmary Of The Whitechapel Union" Bakers Row, Mile End New Town WALLBROOK, Martin Pauper Widower M 60 1821 Dock Labourer Yarmouth Norfolk
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5 May 2009 10:20 |
still there
1891 Institution: Bakers Row Infirmary Whitechapel Union, Bakers Row Whitechapel E WALLBROOK, Martin Pauper Inmate Married M 66 1825 Dock Labourer Bow London
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:32 |
no martin in 1841 but here is one to look at his son was martin Henry and the census place is Stepney 1841 ages were often roundedc Address: Horse Ferry Road, St Anne Limehouse, Tower Hamlets MOHRMAN, Corb M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW WALSHAW, Frederick M 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW BROWNS, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW BOKLING, Dederick M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW TRUSUNE, William M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW BRINGEN, Ludwey M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW SCHMADES, Christian M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW FRIESE, Adolph M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW OTTEN, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW PEPPER, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW DOHLE, Dederick M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MOKRMAN, Conrad M 20 1821 Scotland VIEW WELLBROOK, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW ROSE, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MENKE, Gerrard M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW OFTERHOLT, Henry M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW LINTMEYER, Henry M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW WEBER, Christopher M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW STEFFERS, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MOHRMAN, Jacob M 20 1821 Scotland VIEW WEYLER, Jacob M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW RAHRS, Claus M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW PETERS, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW DITTIAN, Peter M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW GEISLE, Fredk M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW BOHLING, Claus M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW HENKEN, John M 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW BATTMAN, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW BEYEN, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW GERKEN, Fredk M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW BUTTENBOHM, Fredk M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW GERHEN, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW NORTHURSEN, Dederick M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW JAGEN, Henry M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW ENGLEKE, Conrad M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW WALKER, Christian M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SASSE, Berhend M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW RUNPPEL, Frederick M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW FINK, Carsten M 30 1811 Foreign VIEW LINS, Jurgen M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW EICHENBERCE, John M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW HEINE, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MEYEN, William M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MEYEN, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW ROHNKE, Claus M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW GLAN, Albert M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW CLAPPERBURG, Henry M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW OTTEN, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW SEPPNAKEBERG, John M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SPECKMAN, Jurgen M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW OTTEN, Christian M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW HORUSK, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW
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Heather
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5 May 2009 10:33 |
LOL, widower in the first entry and married in the second? Wonder if thats right :)
David, you should be working backwards and in that way you would have his child and then buy that cert and have his wifes full name from that backwards to find the marriage.
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:37 |
MARTIN THOMAS WELLBROOK Pedigree Male Christening: 05 AUG 1827 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England Parents: Father: MARTIN WELLBROOK Family Mother: SUSANNAH Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Batch No.: C025576
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Ricochet
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5 May 2009 10:40 |
Buy the death cert, to find out who registered it.
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:43 |
could this be his father
1841bAddress: Fieldgate Street, St Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets BUCK, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW FUSELER, Clous M 40 1801 Foreign VIEW WALBROOK, Martin M 40 1801 Foreign VIEW SEAGAR, Clous M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SCHODE, Fruend M 35 1806 Foreign VIEW SCHROEDER, Titiar M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MULLER, Luar M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW SCRODER, Carstan M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW OLESHARE, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW WALLACE, John M 27 1814 Foreign VIEW MOLTON, Gifford M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW HOLLINGS, John M 20 1821 Foreign VIEW MUREHOUS, Clous M 25 1816 Foreign VIEW WILSHANDSON, Henry M 45 1796 Foreign
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:48 |
I am not sure that the 1852 Matrin is his son
MARTIN HENRY WELBROOK Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: 24 DEC 1851 Christening: 08 FEB 1852 Saint Andrew, Bethnal Green, London, England Parents: Father: HENRY WELBROOK Family Mother: MARY ANN Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: : C037601
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 10:56 |
David How did you arrive at Martin, Do you have other info regarding siblings children etc,? Or is he a spouse of someone in your tree? I have looked for anything related to Martin and born Stepney but I have not come up with obvious links, Why do you think he may have married in Ireland. I think you know more than you are telling. You have certainly not given me anything to link him to.
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 11:01 |
These are the siblings of Martin Thomas 1827
1. MARY ANN WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1831 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 2. GEORGE WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 AUG 1827 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 3. MARTIN THOMAS WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 AUG 1827 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England 4. ROBERT HENRY WELLBROOK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUL 1833 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
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David
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5 May 2009 12:45 |
Christine this is all I know. Martin WELBROK arrived in Canterbury New Zealand in 1872 at the age of 19 on the "Pleiades" from London listed as a sugar baker. In 1877 he sailed to Invercargill and was known as Wellbrook or Wellbrock. He married in 1882 . His marriage cert says Martin Wellbrock and descendants are all Wellbrocks. His father is listed as Martin and mother Mary
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 12:52 |
So you actually researching Martin Welbrock c1853. How did Stepney and Ireland come into you thinking?
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:03 |
So Martin Henry 1851 looks possible but father listed as Henry
1871 Address: Hyde Street, St Paul, Deptford WELBROCK, Martin Henry Lodger M 19 1852 Middlesex BOULTON, Henry Boarder M 60 1811 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:07 |
looks like he married before he left
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COLLINS George John St. Olave 1d 365 POPE Elizabeth Ann St. Olave 1d 365 Webber Louisa Jane St. Olave 1d 365 Welbrock Martin Henry St. Olave 1d 365
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David
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5 May 2009 13:09 |
Yes trying to research Martin spelt WeLLbrock but the name is also listed in the Genes Reunited records as Wellbrook, so it becomes very confusing. Stepney because I thought I would start in the early 1880's and find someone connected to the sugar bakers and came across martin wellbrock also spelt wellbrook born 1801 in Germany. Our ancestors are German and work from there. Ireland because there was thought in the family that she was Irish. probably wrong though
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:15 |
no that cannot be right
1881 Address: Weybourne Lane, Farnham WELBROOK, Martin Head Married M 29 1852 Engine Fitter Whitechapel Middlesex WELBROOK, Louisa Wife Married F 28 1853 Bridgewater Somerset WELBROOK, Louisa J Daughter Single F 7 1874 Newcross Kent WELBROOK, Edith E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Newcross Kent WELBROOK, Eva J Daughter Single F 2 1879 Farnham Surrey
1891 Address: 5, ?, Saunders Road, Plumstead WELBROCK, Martin Head Married M 39 1852 Engine Fitter Bethnal Green London WELBROCK, Louisa Wife Married F 37 1854 Bridgwater Somersetshire WELBROCK, Edith Daughter F 16 1875 Teacher Of Music Deptford London WELBROCK, Minnie Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Westham WELBROCK, Martie Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Plumstead London WELBROCK, Leah Daughter F 2 1889 Plumstead London
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:24 |
from the sugarbaker database
WELLBROCK Conrad foreign (age 25) Ratcliff Highway London 1841 1841 census HO107 /696/ 5/ 9 WELLBROCK Johann Heinrich of Altendamm, Amt Osterholz - - London 1832-50 Horst Roessler - research WELLBROOK Francis of Germany (charged with cutting & wounding) (offence in Betts St) London 1873 The Times WELLBROOK Henry Foreign (age 20) Horseferry Rd, Limehouse London 1841 1841 census H107 /701 /7 /38 WELLBROOK Marten of Nordsode, Amt Osterholz - - to London 1815 Horst Roessler - research WELLENBROCK Heinrich of Zeven - - to London 1848 Metzner - Shipping Lists
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LadyKira
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5 May 2009 13:31 |
possible Martin Wellbrock Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 24 APR 1810 Gnarrenburg,Ostersode, Bremervoerde, Hannover, Preussen Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Catharina Stelljes Family Marriage: 06 DEC 1833 Gnarrenburg,Nordsode, Bremervoerde, Hannover, Preussen
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