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Can you give me any information on the parents and siblings of richard meldrum b dumfermline fifeshire scotland and his wife mary coupar born castle finn donegal ireland. I dont know when they married the only information i have is they had three children william b 1858 dumfermline, ellen watson b 1862 and samuel c b 1864

connection?

RICHARD MELDRUM Pedigree
Male Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: CATHARINE THOMSON Family
Marriage: 09 NOV 1844 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

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Richard Meldrum Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 1812 Of, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Christening:
Death: 1871

RICHARD MELDRUM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 25 OCT 1860 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: JAMES MELDRUM Family
Mother: JANET CLARK
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Not very helpful as Helen and Samuel are Boarders in 1871!

Name: Samuel Meldrum
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 414
Registration district: Carnock
Civil parish: Carnock
County: Fife
Address: No Has An Names
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 95
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_71
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Reid 68
Jane Reid 62
Helen Meldrum 8
Samuel Meldrum 6
Miss Aitken 5


Source Citation: Parish: Carnock; ED: 3; Page: 16; Line: 13; Roll CSSCT1871_71; Year: 1871.


If you get Samuel's birth certificate it will tell you the date and place of his parents marriage.

You can get it from
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

£6 for 30 credits - 1 credit to view search results and 5 to view / download entry in register.

1881

William MELDRUM Head M Male 25 Scotland Engine Fitter At Works
Alice A. MELDRUM Wife M Female 24 Bolton, Lancashire, England
Jean MELDRUM Daur Female 5 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 8 Winders Court
Census Place Little Bolton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341917
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3837 / 79
Page Number 41

Something not right here! I've just had a brief look on Scotlandspeople and although that census gives Samuel's place of birth as Dunfermline, I can't see a birth in Scotland for him! Am I missing something?

Well Samuel wasn't born in Scotland at all by the looks of it!!

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SAMUEL COOPER MELDRUM Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 24 JAN 1864 0311, Castlefinn, Donegal, Ireland

Parents:
Father: RICHARD MELDRUM Family
Mother: MARY COOPER


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

The references needed to order Samuel's birth cert. can be found here

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1864;surname
=Meldrum;p=recordResults;searchType=standard;birthPlace=Ireland;birthPlaceId=1927084;givenName=Samuel

Richard and Mary married in Ireland in 1853.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#surname=Meldrum;marriage
Year=1853;marriagePlace=Ireland;searchType=standard;p=recordResults;marriage
PlaceId=1927084;givenName=Richard



So how do you know Richard was born in Fife please?

You need the details from that marriage i.e. Richards occupation and his father's name and occupation and it may be possible to find them on the 1851 or 1841 census - if you think that he may have been in Scotland then.

Thank you, I will get birth certificate my grandfather told me a number of years ago that his grandfather came from fifeshire, scotland. The three children came to australia sometime before 1885, I'm not sure if there were more children born to the marriage. Sorry

No need to apologise Trudi.

You can look on that site that I have given you the link to and see if you can find any more births in Ireland for the siblings of Samuel. When you find the details of year, quarter, volume and page number use those to oder the certificate ( I printed them off and attached them to the order form). The order forms and instructions are available from the GROIRE web site. They cannot take credit card payments but if you get some Euros and send them "signed for" mail they will accept that.

When you get the marriage certificate, post the details and we'll see if we can find Richard on the 1841 or 1851 census. You could also look for deaths for him and his wife in Ireland as it looks as if Helen and Samuel are maybe orphans and boarded out. It may be that Richard and his wife died and the children were sent back to his family in his native Fife.

Let us know how you get on and Good Luck.

EDIT

Here's the link for the order forms

http://www.groireland.ie/

I think this may be your man on the 1851 census

Name: Richard Meldrum
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Mother's Name: Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Parish Number: 424
Civil parish: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Golfdrum Street
Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver (linen)
ED: 26
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_87
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Meldrum 38
Helen Watson 69........Mother
James Meldrum 5..........son

IF!!! this is him then this is his parents marriage. As his daughter was (H)Ellen Watson I'm fairly sure

HELEN WATSON
Event(s):
Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES MELDRUM
Marriage:
11 DEC 1811 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Possible death for Richard .....states he is widower but no wife's name and no parents names given

1871 MELDRUM RICHARD M 59 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE

Death for Mary.....wife of Richard Meldrum.....no parents names given

1866 MELDRUM MARY COUPER F 36 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE

As the 1851 census states James Meldrum is Richards son it looks as if he was married before so marriage suggested by Ann of Green Gables may well be his.

Oooh I just noticed the address for the 1851 census Golfdrum Street.....my aunty lives there

I think there is a good chance that this is Richard's son James, married with a family. A check on Scotlandspeople for the marriage would confirm this.

1881

Name: James Meldrum
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: 51 Grieve St
Occupation: Power Loom Harness Mounter
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 175
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_117
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 37
Catherine Meldrum 33
William Meldrum 8
Catherine M Meldrum 6
James D Meldrum 4
Helen Meldrum 1

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 14; Page: 34; Line: 1; Roll cssct1881_117; Year: 1881.


1891
Name: James Meldrum
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Catherina Cottage Beveridgewell
Occupation: Harness Loom Mounter
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_129
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 47
Catherine Meldrum 43
Catherine Meldrum 16
James Meldrum 14
Helen Meldrum 11
Robert Meldrum 8
Margaret Meldrum 6
John Meldrum 5 Mos

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 21; Page: 8; Line: 4; Roll CSSCT1891_129; Year: 1891.



1901

Name: James Meldrum
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: 3 High Bereridgewell
Occupation: Linen Harness Mounter
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1901_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 57
Catherine Meldrum 53
Helen Meldrum 21
Robert Meldrum 18
Margaret Meldrum 16
John Meldrum 10
Catherine Meldrum 26

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 25; Page: 12; Line: 8; Roll CSSCT1901_135; Year: 1901.

I took a look at the marriage cert for James Meldrum and Catherine (Donaldson)......not the James Meldrum son of Richard......this ones parents were William and Catherine ms McGregor.

I found a death for Helen ( ms Watson) Meldrum died 1861 aged 81.....signed by William Meldrum (son).......parents John and Elzabeth think the ms is Wright

Thanks for checking that Aileen - at least he can be eliminated now.