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I am trying to find Joseph on the 1841 census but no luck :-(
He stated on his marriage certificate that his Father was George Papps a Cab proprietor, that was in 1854, but i cant find any trace of George at all.
I can find Joseph on the 1851 census onwards, but if anyone has any ideas or tips as to locating Joseph or his Father before that they would be gratefully received!
Also, are their any others out there with London Papp's with a Cabbie or coaching ancestor? Perhaps there is a connection?

Name: Ann Durrant
Spouse Name: Joseph Papps
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1854
Parish: St George, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Durrant
Spouse Father Name: George Papps

(the marriage, but can't locate him 1841 as yet!)

Chris :)

??? 1881

Augusta BLASWITH Head W Female 51 Kensington, Middlesex, England Annuitant
George PAPPS Father W Male 77 West Indies Annuitant
Mary E. PAPPS Sister U Female 35 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Governess
John KENNEDY Visitor U Male 70 Scotland M.D. Not Practising
Alexander KENNEDY Visitor U Male 72 Scotland Retired Banker
Emma GAGE Serv U Female 35 Neeton, Norfolk, England Dom Serv
Elizabeth WHITE Serv U Female 29 Irverton, Somerset, England Dom Serv


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Source Information:
Dwelling 114 Inverness Terr
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341004
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0019 / 26
Page Number 24

1881

Sarah PAPPS Head W Female 46 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Office Cleaner
George PAPPS Son U Male 21 Mile End, Middlesex, England Bookbinder
Henry PAPPS Son U Male 17 BG, Middlesex, England Porter
Ernest PAPPS Son U Male 14 BG, Middlesex, England Book Folder
James SANTOS Visitor W Male 44 London, City Of, London, Middlesex, England Tinman
Rosina SANTOS Visitor Daur U Female 11 (BS) Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 43 Palm St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341090
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0418 / 48
Page Number 51

Hi Chris,
Thanks for that. Its odd but i cant find any relevant trace of either Father or son in 1841, i do hope they are there somewhere, perhaps incorrectly transcribed :-(

1881

Clara PAPPS Head W Female 41 Lynn, Norfolk, England Tailoress
Joseph PAPPS Son U Male 18 M E O T, Middlesex, England Tobacco Manufacturer
George PAPPS Son U Male 15 M E O T, Middlesex, England Boot Maker
Florence PAPPS Daur Female 13 M E O T, Middlesex, England Tailoress
John PAPPS Son Male 11 M E O T, Middlesex, England Scholar
Emma PAPPS Daur Female 9 M E O T, Middlesex, England Scholar
William PAPPS Son Male 7 M E O T, Middlesex, England Scholar
Emma PLUCKWELL Lodger U Female 36 Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Tailoress


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Source Information:
Dwelling 57 St Anns Rd
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341107
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0486 / 43
Page Number 9

1881

John PAPPS Head M Male 40 London Southwark , London, Middlesex, England Boiler Maker
Sarah PAPPS Wife M Female 35 London Southwark , London, Middlesex, England
John PAPPS Son U Male 10 London Southwark , London, Middlesex, England Errand Boy
George PAPPS Son U Male 8 London Southwark , London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary A. PAPPS Daur U Female 4 London Southwark , London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Henry PAPPS Son U Male 2 Southwark Chch Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 44 Surrey Row
Census Place Southwark Christchurch, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341116
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0517 / 49
Page Number 2

GEORGE PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: JANE ANNE ANDERSON LAWRENCE Family
Marriage: 22 AUG 1825 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

AOGG That George was a solicitor.

Hi Ann,
Thanks for your efforts, i don't think the George Papps from the West Indies belongs to me, i discounted him as he was a solicitor, i think he would probably have been a bit posh for my Joseph's Father!
I have been trying to find any members of the Papp's family with coaching or cabbing connections.... a bit desperate perhaps!

Joseph Papps on the 1871 census is unmarried.

ALLEN PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN MARSH Family
Marriage: 11 JAN 1845 Saint Andrew By The Wardrobe, London, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

ALLEN PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 JUN 1811

Christening: 29 SEP 1811 St Ann Blackfriars, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH PAPPS Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

ADA PAPPS Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 26 APR 1838

Christening: 22 MAY 1838 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
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Parents:
Father: CHARLES HENRY PAPPS Family
Mother: ANN ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

1881

Joseph PAPPS Patient M Male 50 Lambeth, Surrey, England Cabman
Edmond HAKE Patient U Male 25 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Pianoforte Maker
William TRUMAN Patient W Male 49 Hoxton, Middlesex, England General Porter
William CATLIN Patient U Male 60 St. Sepulchers, Middlesex, England Commercial Traveller
Samuel STAMP Patient W Male 45 Ware, Hertford, England Contractors Labourer (Navvy)
James HAWES Patient W Male 60 West Wickham, Buckingham, England Brewers Labourer
Frederick APPLEBY Patient U Male 30 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Wheeler
George HADDOCK Patient W Male 62 Somers Town, Middlesex, England Chimney Sweep
Thomas MOFFATT Patient U Male 67 Ireland Clerk
Robert RICHARDSON Patient M Male 59 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Bricklayer
John KENNEDY Patient U Male 39 Ireland Bill Poster
Jeremiah COLLINS Patient U Male 40 St. Giles, Middlesex, England General Hawker
John SULLIVAN Patient M Male 50 Ireland French Polisher
John LAWLER Patient U Male 58 St.Giles, Middlesex, England Printers Labourer
Thomas MAY Patient U Male 56 Plymouth, Devon, England Clerk
Florance MC CARTHY Patient M Male 32 Ireland General Labourer
John WALNER Patient W Male 66 Ireland General Porter
William LEE Patient M Male 47 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Office Stepmaker (Carpenter)
Henry JAMES Patient U Male 62 Warminster, Somerset, England Civil Engineer
Frank HOLMES Patient U Male 42 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Builders Labourer
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Cleveland Street Asylum" Cleveland Street W
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341042
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0189 / 103
Page Number 6

1881

Robert DENMARK Serv U Male 37 Long Stratton, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Joseph PAPPS Serv M Male 53 Hounslow, Middlesex, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Hy. WILKINSON Serv M Male 49 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
James E. WEST Serv W Male 43 Woolwich, Kent, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Jesse SPALDING Serv M Male 52 Norwich, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Albert H. PEARSON Serv U Male 18 Brandon, Suffolk, England Attendants Servant (Dom)
Jane QUINTON Serv U Female 38 Norwich, Norfolk, England Assistant Matron (Hosp)
Maria RICHES Serv U Female 42 Pulham Mary, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Elizth. WOODHOUSE Serv U Female 30 Sculthorpe, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Ethel S. SMITH Serv U Female 26 Ashby, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Martha M. CLARKE Serv U Female 22 Brisley, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Henriette BRETT Serv U Female 20 Ingworth, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Minnie G. DANIELS Serv U Female 23 Norwich, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Gertrude HUBBARD Serv U Female 21 Runham, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Jane PARNELL Serv U Female 23 Attendant On The Insane
Emily CURSON Serv W Female 47 Ringland, Norfolk, England Cook Domestic Serv
Sarah F. WARMAN Serv U Female 25 Hethersett, Norfolk, England Parlour Maid Serv
Susanna DEWING Serv U Female 20 Cawston, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
Mary A. BRIGGS Serv U Female 20 Aslacton, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
Sarah THWAITES Serv U Female 30 Buxton, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Heigham Hall Asylum" Old Palace Road
Census Place Heigham, Norfolk, England
Family History Library Film 1341470
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1953 / 44
Page Number 14

JOSEPH JOHN PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 JAN 1853

Christening: 13 MAR 1853 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
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Parents:
Father: GEORGE PAPPS Family
Mother: ELIZA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

JOSEPH PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 APR 1800

Christening: 01 MAR 1801 St Martin Ludgate, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH PAPPS Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

JOSEH PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH NULL Family
Marriage: 09 AUG 1796 Allhallows London Wall, London, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

JOSEPH PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 JUL 1778 Saint Andrew, Enfield, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN PAPPS Family
Mother: ANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.