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Had a good look Irene but can't Joseph in 1841 or his birth record? Have you got that?

Cathy

Have you actually got a census where he is with his wife and daughter Harriet please?

Name: Harriet Papps
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1854
Father's name: Joseph Papps
Mother's name: Ann Papps
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth

(address on image looks to be Union Street. Birthdate given as 7th Sept.)

1861 Census

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

DURRANT, John Head Married M 64 1797 Corn Dealer
Suffolk VIEW
DURRANT, Charlotte Wife Married F 64 1797
Ipswich
Suffolk VIEW
DURRANT, Elizth Granddaughter Unmarried F 8 1853
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
PAPPES, Harriett Granddaughter Unmarried F 6 1855
St George
Surrey VIEW
BLOMFIELD, Robt Servant M 29 1832 Corn Dealer
Thetford
Norfolk VIEW
DURRANT, Harriet Daughter Unmarried F 39 1822
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEw

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
335 Folio:
2 Page:
5

Registration District:
Newington Sub District:
1 Trinity Newington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Trinity

Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
1861 Census

UTTON, Naomi Head Widow F 47 1814 Charwoman
Suffolk VIEW
ROBINS, Sarah Ann Daughter Married F 24 1837 None
Suffolk VIEW
PAPPS, Joseph Lodger Unmarried M 26 1835 Cabman
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
332 Folio:
39 Page:
29

Registration District:
St George Southwark Sub District:
3 London Road Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St George

Civil Parish:
St George Southwark Municipal Borough:
Address:
43, Great Union Street, St George Southwark


289, Kent Street, Newington County:
London, Surrey


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Ann Papps
Name: Ann Papps
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newington
County: Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 147

(not sure if this Death fits)


1841 Census

WILKINSON, Josh M 43 1798 Surrey VIEW
WILKINSON, Mary F 41 1800 VIEW
LAMBERTH, Jas M 21 1820 Surrey VIEW
PAPS, George M 35 1806 Ireland VIEW
BURNS, Robt M 30 1811 VIEW
GENT, Willm M 19 1822 VIEW
BURNS, Lydia F 23 1818 VIEW
DAVIES, Hester F 24 1817 VIEW
VINCE, Caroline F 30 1811 VIEW
KEELING, Geo M 21 1820 VIEW
MCARTY, Ellen F 21 1820 Ireland VIEW

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1065 Book/Folio:
1/20 Page:
33

Registration District:
St Mary Newington Sub District:
Trinity Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Newington Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
Kent Street, St Mary Newington, Lambeth County:
Surrey

Only one I can see in area, down as Labourer from Ireland)

Wow Ann what a lot of information, i am sure that some of them must be related to my George and Joseph, perhaps working around this info i can turn something up :-)
Thanks

Just to add, i cant actually find Joseph with his family on any census returns, his wife and child are never with him, i suspect the marriage broke down... he certainly doesn't make things easy.... i cant find a baptismal record for him, i did find a marriage cert where he names his Father as George Papps coachman, also the baptismal record for his daughter Harriet born 1854 in Southwark. Joseph is certainly keeping his secrets :-(

Name: Joseph Papps
Record Type: Death
Estimated Death Date: 2 May 1887
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

(St. Pancras Workhouse, aged 60, his address given as 39, Millwall Street. Cab Driver)

His wife Ann looks to have died 1856. as posted earlier, still no luck with him1841.

Chris :)