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My Grandmother Beatice Alexandra Routh b. 5.11.1873, in St. Pancras she married Herbert Robert Perryman 8.5.1895, I have not been able to find a birth certificate fot her to trace her mothers line. Her father on the marriage certificate is John Martin Routh - Barrister at Law, all the census's show him as not married, so I presume she was illigitimate. As I live in south Africa I wonder if anyone can help me to trace her birth.
Thanks Ivy

Where did you find out her exact DOB?

1881

John M. ROUTH Head U Male 34 Tyleshurst, Berkshire, England Barrister At Law
Fred RONNEY Visitor U Male 34 London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Artists Colourman


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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Danes Inn
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341072
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0333 / 97
Page Number 4

If her age in 1901 is accurate, she was born before Dec qtr 1873.

Name: Beatrice A Perryman
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Herbert R
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent's Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 344
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert R Perryman 34
Beatrice A Perryman 28
Beatrice M Perryman 5
Herbert R Perryman 2

Ivy if you don't have Beatrice's birth cert, how are you so exact about her birthdate and birthplace?

If she was illigitmate, perhaps the Webber birth is correct ??

John martin Routh had a sister Beatrice Eliza so maybe that's where he name came from.
Beatrice and Herberts son was Herbert Routh Perryman.

John Martin Routh still unmarried in 1911.

Maryb

1881

John W. ROUTH Head M Male 63 Boyton, Wiltshire, England Rector M.A.
Francis ROUTH Wife M Female 65 Wolverton, Hampshire, England None
Elizabeth A. ROUTH Daur U Female 35 Sowe, Warwick, England
Belinda R. ROUTH Daur U Female 25 Tilehurst, Berkshire, England
Beatrix E. ROUTH Daur U Female 23 Tilehurst, Berkshire, England
Joseph BENNETT Serv U Male 25 Brightwaltham, Berkshire, England Footman (Dom)
Mary A. BERKLEY Serv W Female 48 Caversham, Oxford, England Housemaid Domestic
Harriett HUTCHINS Serv U Female 27 Pangbourne, Berkshire, England Cook Domestic
Annie CRAGG Serv U Female 20 Bowden, Lancashire, England Kitchen Maid Domestic
Alice MIDWINTER Serv U Female 16 Cirencester, Gloucester, England Under Housemaid Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling The Rectory
Census Place Tilehurst, Berkshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341315
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1299 / 38
Page Number 21

Who were the witnesses on her wedding cert?
Possible siblings perhaps ?
and what was her occupation?

1881 Beatrice A Webber 1873/3 Plymouth with parents Charles 1825 and Jane A 1830.
1901 she is still at home with parents.
1911 at her cousin William henry webber.
Death in Plymouth 1944 Beatrice A Webber age 70 = 1874 5b 416.

So this looks like Beatrice Alexander Webber born 1873 in Plymouth Devon and not Beatrice Alexander Louth,what do you think.

Maryb

From my Father

'From my father' - what?

And how about some thanks for the efforts people have put in?

I guess Ivy was answering my question.

Come on Ivy, string some information together.
It'll make helping a lot easier.

Or mine?

Basically the same - but such a terse, uninformative response does not encourage one to continue trying to help

One thing is clear - if she was 22 in May 1895, she was definitely not born in November 1873. Bearing out my comments re 1901 census

No B.A.Webber was not her.
Thanks

Thanks for the information
Ivy

Herbert R was my father, and they always had her birthday on Guy Fawkes Day but I will look and see if I can find a Beatrice Alexandra on any other date.
Thanks Ivy

The Webber is definately not correct.
She was born in St. Pancras and she celebrated her birthday on Guy Fawkes Day.
Ivy

I was answering Michaels question and then I was called away so have just managed to get back to the pc. I am very gratefull for the help espite your comments,
Thanks
Ivy

Thanks this was her fathers family he was born in Tylehurst.
In 1881 he was in London.
Ivy