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Barcroft? Barvel? St West Derby Liverpool Lancashi

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B1

B1 Report 24 Oct 2009 22:33

I'm not sure if the streets have been renamed over the years in the West Derby Liverpool area. On the 1901 census the street name looks like BARCROFT but on a 1916 birth cert the street looks like BARVEL. It falls within the Parish of St Nathaniel Windor (St?) if that helps.

1901 census link for William Hussey & wife Mary J is;
http://search.ancestry.com.au/iexec/?htx=view&r=5544&dbid=7814&iid=LANRG13_3494_3497-0951&fn=William&ln=Hussey&st=r&ssrc=pt_t12693663_p-96793627_g32818_r-96793627_h_l&pid=21690257

B1

B1 Report 25 Oct 2009 10:27

nudge nudge

B1

B1 Report 25 Oct 2009 10:58

nudge nudge wink wink

B1

B1 Report 27 Oct 2009 10:27

Not a silly question but yes I did try google maps 1st which is why I can't work out what it should or if it isn't there anymore.

My G Granny Catherine Hussey had a child out of wed lock (1916) and the father listed was William Jones. In 1937 William was listed as deceased, Collier. I want to try and find a William Jones who lived near her but I can't work out where she lived and so I can't go much further.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Oct 2009 11:02

B1....I have checked through the Street Map West Derby 1851 (earlier than you are wanting) and can find nothing closely resembling either names...Have also checked West Derby Streets from 1881 Census and again nothing...
Have you tried to locate Catherine on an earlier West Derby Census ?

B1

B1 Report 27 Oct 2009 11:10

Yes 1891 looks like Barcroft to me too!

I have to say I don't do well reading script and if I could copy and paste the images I would.

B1

B1 Report 27 Oct 2009 11:21

cancel the last comment on the 1891 census, I've just double checked and they lived in Toxteth Park then ..... sorry about that.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Oct 2009 11:31

B1 have checked through Liverpool directory for West Derby 1900...same result...Its not West Kirby by any chance is it..?

B1

B1 Report 27 Oct 2009 11:42

Name: Catherine Hussey
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary J
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: West Derby St Nathaniel Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 69
Household schedule number: 256

It's West Derby, I'm sooo frustrated!

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Oct 2009 13:10

MaureenNY.....So we are in Toxteth Park for Bancroft St. ?? Situated to the West of the Junction of Upper Parliament St and Smithdown Lane...

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Oct 2009 13:41

Right,although I don't know if it's Toxteth Park or Edge Hill. Not familiar with the area!!

Maureen

B1

B1 Report 27 Oct 2009 20:53

I'm lost 8 (

Bancroft doesn't come up on Google maps either.

Are you talking about Beaumont St? As good as that would be I don't think it is that either.

I knew I had come across it before in the 1891 census

Name: Hugh Blake
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nathaniel
County/Island: Lancashire
ED, institution, or vessel: 37 (page 18)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Oct 2009 20:58

B1.....What can I say other than send me your email address and I will send you a picture and details of where it was.

B1

B1 Report 29 Oct 2009 04:24

Thank you, that's wonderful

I now know it is BANCROFT or should I say it was as it's no longer there.

The leverpoole.co.uk is a great site for older maps.

Now for the 48 BARNEL??? Street West Derby listed on the 1916 birth certificate. I've not even had any luck I the website I mentioned above.

Has anyone else come across a street name like this on the census or certificates?

Cheers
B1

Vicci

Vicci Report 29 Oct 2009 05:32

1911

HUSSEY, William Head Married M 39 1872 Coal Carter Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, Mary Jane Wife Married
20 years F 37 1874 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 School Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, William Son M 9 1902 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, John James Son M 6 1905 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, Sarah Ann Daughter F 4 1907 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
HUSSEY, Ann Daughter F 1 1910 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22598 Reference:
RG14PN22598 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED46 SN123

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western EnumerationDistrict:
46 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
1 in 10 Court Bancroft St Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Vicci

Vicci Report 29 Oct 2009 05:40


1911 census - address search results
Search criteria used:
County: Lancashire Street name: Bar*
Residential Place: West Derby

Results:
Your search has returned 30 results.
redefine current search
Street Parish Registration
District County
Bardley Road Walton on the Hill West Derby Lancashire
Bardsay Road Walton on the Hill West Derby Lancashire
Bardsay Road Walton Liverpool Walton on the Hill West Derby Lancashire
Barkeley Drive Seaforth West Derby Lancashire
Barker Street Edge Hill West Derby West Derby Lancashire
Barkers Terrace Great Crosby West Derby Lancashire
Barkhill Barkhill Road Garston West Derby Lancashire
Barkhill Road Garston West Derby Lancashire
Barley Sned Road Grassendale Park Garston West Derby Lancashire
Barlow Buildings Kirkdale West Derby Lancashire
Barlow Lane Fazakerley West Derby Lancashire
Barlow Lane Kirkdale West Derby Lancashire
Barlow Square Kirkdale West Derby Lancashire
Barlow Street Kirkdale West Derby Lancashire
Barlows Cottages Homer Green Thornton West Derby Lancashire
Barndale Road Wavertree West Derby Lancashire
Barnes Street Everton West Derby Lancashire
Barnet Street Edge Hill West Derby West Derby Lancashire
Barnfield West Derby Liverpool West Derby West Derby Lancashire
Barnhill Road Wavertree West Derby Lancashire
Barnston Road Walton on the Hill West Derby Lancashire
Barnton Litherland Litherland West Derby Lancashire
Barnton Street Litherland West Derby Lancashire
Barracks Ruper Lane Everton West Derby Lancashire
Barrington Road Wavertree West Derby Lancashire
Barry Street Kirkdale West Derby Lancashire
Barrymore Road West Derby West Derby Lancashire
Bartlett Street Wavertree West Derby Lancashire
Barton Road Walton on the Hill West Derby Lancashire
Barwise Street Everton West Derby Lancashire

B1

B1 Report 29 Oct 2009 05:46

VICCIwasVictoria you are wonderful, thank you so very much!

I'll go through it now and check it out.

B1

B1 Report 29 Oct 2009 06:01

The 1911 census is her family alright and it seems she had already moved on. I'm guessing she may have been a servent somewhere.

hmmm where do I go from here........

If a Catherine Hussey turned up as a servent somewhere there in no way of knowing she is the right one and even if it was assumed she was with William Jones, how many millions of William & Catherines are there.

As for the street name, I think it might be BARNET it isn't to far away from Bancroft - I think Bancroft is now the dead end of Aigburth St.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 29 Oct 2009 08:17

B1...

I would go for Barnet Street...I have compared the actual "letters" (as written on BC) and the N in "Jones" and T in "Catherine" are configured as to match "Barnet" as the Street address ....

B1

B1 Report 29 Oct 2009 08:26

Yes I matched up the N in Jones to the N in the street name too but didn't get the t but in the list provided here there really isn't much else it could be.