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Hi, Everyone,
Is there anyone out there up for a challenge in a quest to find my husbands ancestoral family? I could really do with lots of help and I know there's a genius out there somewhere who could crack the case.

"OH PRETTY PLEASE :0)"

I was wondering if anyone out there can help me, I'm trying to find a William Henry Taylor born in the first quarter of 1901 in London apparently he was a true cockney if that helps, I have no other info apart from his father was Thomas james taylor but he may have been dead by 1911 ( as he was down as deceased on a wedding certificate of William Henry's) so his mother would have been a widow, I did find a family of taylors in the west Ham district but have since had it confirmed that they are the wrong ones, I would so dearly love to find this family as my husbands side of the tree is looking so sad.

thanks so much in advance

Hello Lisa - what was Thomas James' occupation on the marriage certificate, and when/where did that wedding take place?

Can you give an address and witnesses from it?

As much as you've got - anything can help us track people down!

Where did you get William Henry's birth? - if it was registered first quarter 1901 he could have been born end 1900.

just to throw a spanner in the works, perhaps he uesed William as a first name
1911 census - household transcription

Person: TAYLOR, Thomas James
Address: 74 Alma St Hoxton N

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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TAYLOR, Thomas James Head Married M 43 1868 Postman New York U S a Res VIEW
TAYLOR, Annie Bond Wife Married
21 years F 42 1869 Soho London W VIEW
TAYLOR, Ethel Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Tailoress Coat Hand Islington London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Emily Constance Daughter Single F 19 1892 Sorter Cork Wigg Islington London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Frank James Son Single M 17 1894 Assistant Lace Trade Islington London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Sydney John Son Single M 16 1895 Warehouseman Silk Trade Islington London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Daisy Irene Daughter Single F 14 1897 At Home Hoxton London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Herbert William Son M 11 1900 School Hoxton London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Marie Dorothy Daughter F 11 1900 School Hoxton London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Charles Victor Thomas Son M 9 1902 School Hoxton London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Harry Son M 6 1905 School Hoxton London N VIEW
TAYLOR, Alfred George Son M 3 1908 School Hoxton London N VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1337 Reference:
RG14PN1337 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED16 SN149

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Shoreditch South Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Shoreditch

Address:
74 Alma St Hoxton N

Lisa, if William Henry was born 1901 ish he wouldn't have been married 1911 so what makes you think his father could have died by then?

Do you know where and when William Henry died?

i think you need to buy his birth cert to make sure you have the right birth. GRO wont check against parents, so its pot luck.

Lindsey, I don't understand "perhaps he uesed William as a first name".

You mean perhaps it wasn't but he used it?


Marriage of your 1911 couple for info.

Marriages Dec 1889
TAYLOR Thomas James Islington 1b 428
WHITE Annie Bond Islington 1b 428


You mean he might have been this one?

TAYLOR, Herbert William Son 11 1900 Hoxton


Lisa, how do you know "William Henry Taylor >> born in the first quarter of 1901"?

Births Mar 1901
Taylor William Henry Pontefract 9c 151
Taylor William Henry Hitchin 3a 663
Taylor William Henry Birmingham 6d 181
Taylor William Henry Dudley 6c 108
Taylor William Henry Keynsham 5c 542
Taylor William Henry St. Olave 1d 294
Taylor William Henry Bristol 6a 90
Taylor William Henry Ecclesall B. 9c 415

You've settled on one of these??


I don't always enjoy a good guessing game.

When, where and whom did he marry?

Have you identified his death? If so, will you share?

How did you settle on whatever 1901 birth it is you've settled on? I don't understand why you would know the quarter but not the date -- or why you would offer the quarter but not the date, if you know it ...

try posting on the tips board you will get more help

Sorry, Whitenancy, I don't know who you are or what your game is, but what you are advising is that the poster break the rules of the board. One post per subject. How come you don't know that?

Maybe if you don't have any help to offer yourself, you'd refrain from butting in and telling people things that are actually very far from the truth.

Now Now Janey! that's soooooo unlike you!?!

Hi again everyone,

I am in no way playing guessing games, I jst want to be able to trace them back because I really am stuck.



Thanks for all your help, I know that he was born on the 21st February 1901 because I tracked down some army info about him. but thats really all it gives me apart from details about his wife which i have alreadty traced back.

In 1941 on his marriage certificate which he married in Birmingham it gives his home address as Chilton avenue, South Ealing, and his father as Thomas James Taylor General Labourer (deceased)

I applied to the Gro but even with his exact birthday they were unable to find a certificate for him, I just thought maybe he was on the census but without his father. I guess I will never ever find out.

Do you know when and where he died, just to try and round out any information you may have?
Thank-you.

He died in bimingham I have his death cert but I know he was from london because my father in law said he had a cockney accent on please can someone find his family

Anyone from Birmingham would pick up on a London accent , but that does not make him a cockney or prove that he was born there ?

Do you have more on the army info ?

Hi lindsey,

Yeah I thought of that but in 1941 he was in the london area of south ealing as that was his home address and my father in law is convinced he was from london.

If he was born in Feb 1901 then he was in the 1901 census.

Here's a possibility.

Name: William Taylor
Age: 1 Month
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Taylor
Mother's name: Emily Taylor
Where born: Leytonstone, Essex, England

Civil parish: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: West Ham

Thomas Taylor 30 - Pavior (Road [?]), born Leytonstone
Emily Taylor 23 - born Billericay
Thomas Taylor 2 - born Leytonstone
William Taylor 1 Month
Mary A Harris 66


My grandfather was born in West Ham, 2 miles from Leytonstone and equidistant from St. Mary-le-Bow, and always declared that this put him within the sound of Bow Bells. ;)

Two households above on that page are Henry Taylor, 28, general labourer, and his wife. Likely brothers.

Leyton was in West Ham reg dist. A birth on 21 Feb 1901 could have been registered legally in the first week of April 1901. There are no William Henry Taylors registered there in Q1 1901 or Q2 1901, but there were two William Taylors in Q2.

Aha?

Births Mar 1901
Taylor William Harry W. Ham 4a 151

1911 in Leyton

TAYLOR WILLIAM 1901 10 West Ham Essex - answers to born Leyton
living with
TAYLOR THOMAS 1871 40 West Ham Essex
TAYLOR EMILY F 1878 33 (probably)

Too many Taylors in Leyton to sort out on a free search. Anybody want to give the household details?

Brother Thomas, a couple of possibilities. Here's an interesting one -- in 1961, Essex SW covered Leyton:

Births Sep 1898
TAYLOR Thomas C Essex S. W. ? See M/61 -- late registration

Name: Thomas C Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trout
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1961
Registration district: Essex S W
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 273

Mother Emily in that household was from Billericay.

Marriages Dec 1897
Cox Emily Billericay 4a 773
Edmunds Frank Billericay 4a 773
> Taylor Thomas Billericay 4a 773
> Trout Emily Billericay 4a 773


Further possible Taylor-Trout births:

Births Mar 1914
TAYLOR Lily Trout W.Ham 4a [56][56]1
Births Dec 1915
Taylor Henry Trout W.Ham 4a 596
Births Jun 1918
Taylor Alice Trout W.Ham 4a 486
Births Jun 1921
Taylor Edward Trout W.Ham 4a 666

And the late Thomas registration leads us to:

Births Mar 1901
Taylor William Essex S.W 5a See M60

Name: William Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trout
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1960
Registration district: Essex S W
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 209


Were they like my grandfather again, and had to prove their age when they retired? ;)

JC-your wish,etc.

1911 census transcription details for: 2 Florence Road Leytonstone
RG14PN9613 RG78PN512 RD188 SD8 ED8 SN316


Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: South Leyton
Parish: Low Leyton Enum. District: 8
Address: 2 Florence Road Leytonstone
County: Essex

TAYLOR, Thomas Head Married M 40 1871 Granite Pavior Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, Emily Wife Married
13 years F 33 1878 Billericaydo
TAYLOR, Thomas Son M 12 1899 School Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, William Son M 10 1901 School Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, Emily Daughter F 5 1906 School Leyton Essex


Maureen

Do you like 'em for the job, MiNY? ;)


Oh. Except that I suspect that this is the family that Lisa had said was confirmed not to be the right ones.

I do so wish we could be given some details. Like the details of that family to start with, so I wouldn't have wasted time. And *how* it was confirmed they were the wrong ones. (It was "confirmed" to me by someone here at GR that my grandfather's grandparents in Essex were not the GR member's grandmother's grandparents -- until I showed the GR member that they were, and we did indeed share grx2 grparents, it was just that the GR member had never heard of my family.)

And the details of William Henry Thomas's marriages -- dates and places even, so we have a picture of where he was when.

I can never see the point of asking people to help find more information, with *less* information than one has one's self.