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Good work Alexandra in finding the 1931 marriage. I think that my theory that Dorothy was registered as Andonia has proved to be correct.
Maureen

Also further to your details of Dorothy's marriages - I have found her first marriage and it confirms her name as Andonia....

Andonia Tomasso m Robert E Johnson Jul Q 1931 Kingston 2a 1707.

(Notice not Richard as you mentioned but if it was a first marriage the family may have faded memories of his name!)

Pauline it might be worth your while to join this society -

http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/default.htm

If you look at Members Interests there is a member number 281 interested in Tomassi's and Di Placito's. So you might be able to get in touch with them.

Vincenzo Tomassi married Dominica Capaldi first of all in 1885 before he married Anna Rosa Saviano.

I noticed that in 1891 Antonia Di Placido was boarding with a Capaldi family.

Christiana is actually:

Births Mar 1896
TOMASSO Crescenza Kingston 2a 343

Meltos is

Births Mar 1898
Tomasso Emilio Kingston 2a 374

and Steffanos is

Births Sep 1900
Tomassi Stefana Kingston 2a 365

Then the post 1911 ones are:

Births Dec 1912
TOMASSI Francisco De Placito Kingston 2a 837

Births Sep 1920
Tomassi Rosa C Di Placito Kingston 2a 897

There's a Vincent Tomasso in Clerkenwell in 1901, shown as married, but no wife with him, only two sons.

The Antonia Diplacido marriage that Alexandra found looks very promising. I wonder where Antonia was in 1901? She's not with her husband, and he's shown as married, not widowed.

Yes, I was just looking at the census. There's another family living in Surrey which may be connected, all with the names very badly transcribed:

1901 England Census
about Antonie Towesso

Name: Antonie Towesso
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Gender: Male
Where born: Cousin, Italy

Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143

Household Members:
Name Age
Carman Tomasso 7
Louisa Tomasso 2
Somdean Tomasso 4
Tresa Tomasso 10 months
Alexander Towesso 11
Annie Towesso 14
Antonie Towesso 34
Francis Towesso 12
John Towesso 8
Rose Towesso 34

It also fits with the 1901 census entry here:

1901 England Census
about Angelo Tomasso
Name: Angelo Tomasso
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Italian, Italy

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Norbiton St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 284
Household Members: Name Age

Mary Di Blacito 20
Susan Di Blacito 3/12
Charles Di Placito 23
Cosmo Di Placito 58
Mary Di Placito 53
Mary Di Placito 25
Minnie Di Placito 14
Raphael Di Placito 16
Angelo Tomasso 35
Christiana Tomasso 5
Meltos Tomasso 3
Stephanos Tomasso 10 months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 662; Folio: 137; Page: 46.

Also that entry may well be the parents of Andonia if she was named after her mother - the pronounciations being down to the regional dialect from Italy and registrar error?

There is another Di Placito marriage - just with slight spelling differences!

Marriages Dec 1891
Diplacido Antonia Maria Kingston 2a 646
Tomassi Angelo Kingston 2a 646

I would wonder if they are brother & sister intermarriages? The spelling does seem to interchange between Tomasso and Tomassi perhaps just due to registrar errors?

If we look at all the people with the surname Tomasso or similar born in Kingston, there are quite a few, and some of them were born after mid-1911, when the mother's maiden name was included in the index.

I wonder if this is Dorothy's sister Bett?

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Tomassi Benedetta , mmn Saviano, Kingston 2a 819

Can't see a Joe (Giuseppe) or John (Giovanni).

There are a couple of other Tomassi/o children born in Kingston with mmn De or Di Placito.

There are two possible marriages in Kingston between a Tomassi/o and a Saviano/Saviana or a De or Di Placito. Here they are:

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)

Saviano Anna Rosa Kingston 2a 760
Tomassi Vincenzo Kingston 2a 760

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)

DI PLACITO Raffaele Kingston 2a 875
TOMASSO Maria Kingston 2a 875

The second one can't be right, because the man's name is
Di Placito, whereas it should be the woman's.

The name Andonia doesn't exist in Italy as far as I know - the nearest is Antonia.

However, in the south of Italy the approximate pronunciation of Antonia would be Andonia, so perhaps the parents didn't know how to spell it. That does suggest that the birth was registered in England, though, because an Italian registrar would know the correct spelling.

Alternatively, maybe it's a Greek name?

Did your Gt Gt gran have any brothers or sisters, and when and who did she marry?

I also now understand what you mean about the x - from the actual register page there is a Richard Geraldo G Tomaso born in Holborn in 1910 - his entry has also been put in under the spelling of Tomasso.

I do not believe they are twins as they are registered in totally different districts.

Pauline - your best bet is to order the certificate for Andonia from 1910.

The details to purchase the certs are

Ricardo Gerardo G Tomaso b Mar qtr 1910 Holborn 1b page 576

Andonia Tomasso b Mar qtr 1910 Kingston 2a page 443

Good luck

Ok - finally got to the bottom of it - I was just puzzled as you were talking about having her birth certificate and mentioning this amendment or joining of names on the certificate.

I suggest you copy the certificate information found for Andonia:

Births Mar 1910
TOMASSO Andonia Kingston 2a 443

Then go to www.gro.gov.uk and follow the links and instructions to purchasing/ordering a certificate.

i am going to do some more digging because i think that my nans father and mother where cousins and i am going to retrieve the birth cert. i will repost when i have it.

Could it be that
Dorothy was registered as Andonia, in 1910 and that she was a twin, and both children were given the names of their parents!!!
The one sure way to find out is to purchase both birth certificates

i dont have birth cert, my error records same as you. same as you. now .how do i get the birth cert

many thanks