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Hello,
Hope all you Mums had a lovely Mothers Day. I am trying to find John Plant born about 1842 and William Plant born about 1830 Deptford.(Brothers) I have found them both on the Census with their parents William and Matilda Plant but nothing after they left the family home. I did find this marriage for a John Plant and as I have other Plant Ancestors born in The Cape Of Good Hope I wasn,t sure.?

Their Parents were William Plant and Matilda Plant Nee Fulcher. William Plant Senior was also born Cape Of Good Hope about 1796. His profession is shown as Master Mariner. If anyone can help with John and William Junior and their families your help would be most appreciated.

Regards Marion
JOHN PLANT - International Genealogical Index / AF
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 SEP 1863 Cape Town, Cape Of Good Hope, South Africa

Could this be william jnr on the Canadian 1881 census?


William PLANT M
Male English 51 England Boatman, R.N. Church of England
Mary Ann PLANT M Female English 43 England Church of England
Wm. J. C. PLANT Male English 19 England Machinist, R.N. Church of England
Ernst S. PLANT Male English 17 England Shipwright Church of England
Amelia PLANT Female English 14 Wales Church of England
Frederick PLANT Male English 9 England Church of England
Henry R. PLANT Male English 7 England Church of England
George R. PLANT Male English 1 Nova Scotia Church of England

This looks like the family that Nicky found

1871 England Census
about Mary A Plant
Name: Mary A Plant
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Great
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Tamar
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 413
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred H Plant 1
Amelia H A Plant 3
Ernest S Plant 6
Mary A Plant 33
William J C Plant 8

Oh Goodness I hadn,t thought about Canada. I dont know but its possible. Thankyou Nicky. I,m scratching my head now.


Regards Marion

FOR REFERENCE

Is this the fmaily in 1841?

1841 Census

about William Plant
Name: William Plant
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Paul
Hundred: Deptford Town
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Plant 20
Mary Plant 3
Matilda Plant 35 b.ca 1806, Kent
Matilda Plant 8
William Plant 45 b.ca 1796, out of county, Master Mariner
William Plant 11

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I can't find John though???



sylvia

Thankyou Claire. No mention of the place name Deptford for any of these? Most of my other Plant Ancestors were mostly born in Deptford. Some in Ireland but only a few and then theres the Cape Of Good Hope. Again with that one only a few. Mostly Deptford though.

Thankyou
Regards Marion

Yes Sylvia,
Hello to you and hope your well. That is the family for Deptford. John is one of theirs. I found his info on Family Search.

Marionx

Marion, I belive the passenger lists on Findmypast or whichever site it is begin from 1870, you may be able to find this family from Devon in 1871 ,which may give you more info, if you ask for a look up .


Nicky

I should have added that the 1881 in Canada they are in Halifax., Nova scotia.

Marion the 1871 family were born in Devon apart from Ernest & Amelia who were born in Pembrokeshire

Thanks Claire but from what you have stated about being born in Devon it cant be them. I do appreciate your help.

Regards Marion

Sylvia just coppied this down for you from my notes re John.


John Henry Plant
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 APR 1842 St Paul, Deptford, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: William Francis Plant Family
Mother: Matilda Plant

Hi Marion

Hope you are well.


I've looked and looked, tried every which way, but I can't pull up an John with a William and/or Matilda on the 1851 Census.


strange .... there must be a great mis-transcription, or soemthing!



sylvia

OK, so here is what is probably John's birth registration from freebmd

Greenwich is the registration centre that includes Deptford


Births Jun 1842 (>99%)

Plant John Henry Greenwich 5 200



sylvia

Marion, Please don`t think I`m out of order here, but do you not think William may have married a local girl while stationed in devonport, and she remained there while he travelled the world with the Royal Navy { I presume RN is Royal Navy} eventually ending up in Nova Scotia Canada, and is Pembrokeshire not on the coast? maybe he was stationed there for a while, sorry I know this is your family history not mine, but as you have already said you have no trace of William after he left his parents home........ I just think you shouldn`t discount them because of the Devon connection . Hope you don`t think I`m poking my nose in, but if it were my lot i think I`d be taking a closer look at it all,

Hope you didn`t mind me saying this and that I hav`nt offended you


Nicky

No Nicky I,m not offended in any way. I value all the help the Genes members give me so no please I appreicate your help. Yes what you say for William could be possible. Most of my Mothers Ancestors were Royal Artillery so Royal Navy..Maybe?. The other siblings for William and John did settle in Deptford/Sydenham/Greenwich so I suppose I expected William and John to be in that area also.

Sylvia thankyou I am well. It could be as you have stated mistranscribed with the spelling of the surname. Happens all the time to me and its always my Mothers side of the family. Just to point out some of my Plants were R/Artillery.

Back later ladies just to see if you have found anything. Nicky it will be your bedtime. Sleep tight.

Marionx

Or a twist on what Nicky said -- "do you not think William may have married a local girl while stationed in devonport, and she remained there while he travelled the world with the Royal Navy" -- the couple married in Kent and the family settled in Devon where William was stationed? --

Marriages Dec 1859
>> Dyer Mary Ann Lewisham 1d 939
Elston James Lewisham 1d 939
Piddington Sarah Lewisham 1d 939
>> Plant William Lewisham 1d 939
Todd Hannah Lewisham 1d 939


For info, Mary A Plant in 1871 is "boatswain's wife", and the neighbourhood is populated by active and retired RN personnel.

This ones getting intresting Kathryn.....will have to wait and see what Marion thinks...I`ve been looking again today for willliams brother John but can find no trace.....if the marriage in South Africa is him, then maybe they settled there. I`m sure Devonport is a Naval Base and Pembrokeshire not sure ,but it is a coastal county..........your take on the Lewisham marriage is another possibility........the mystery deepens.

Nicky

I can't find any of that family in Canada in 1901. Looks like it was a temporary posting. In 1901, son William JC Plant, the easiest to find, was back in England:


Name: William J C Plant
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Adelene B
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Devonport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Devonport
Sub-registration district: Tamar
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 53

Adelene B Plant 40
Ernest C Plant 11
Florence W Plant 12
William J C Plant 38

He's also in England in 1891, just to be complete:


Name: William J C Plant
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Adelene B
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Tamar
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Adelene B Plant 30
Bessie Plant 27
Ernest C Plant 1
Florence W Plant 2
Francis C Plant 2
William J C Plant 28

And here's the rest of the family unit back in England in 1891:


Name: William Plant
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Dawlish, Devon, England

Occupation: Retired Chief Boats'n RN

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke Damerel
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Stoke Damerel
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Samuel Dyck 53
(it says Dyer; "Pensioner RN (stoker)")
C S Plant 8
F H Plant 18 (i.e. Frederick)
G H Plant 11 (i.e. George)
Mary Ann Plant 51
William Plant 61


"Dawlish" seems a little specific to be a birthplace of convenience (as people tended to get vague / adopt their place of residence as place of birth as censuses went on). So maybe these people are herrings after all!