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Cynthia

Cynthia Report 27 Mar 2008 21:51

Can anyone please help? I am still searching for records of when Adelaide Delma Clark travelled to Canada. It was between 1901 and 1911. She may have gone with her son Reginald who was born in 1900. Help appreciated. Thanks.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 27 Mar 2008 22:12

They're still in England on the 1901 census, I guess you know that. We did this before didn't we? His mother had remarried by the time of the 1911 census in Canada. She was Delma Hodgins on Reginald's attestation papers and Reginald is living with her in Manitoba on the 1911 census where it says that she emigrated 1905 and he in 1907.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 27 Mar 2008 23:32

Thanks Margaret. Yes, I have been down this track before but am still trying to discover :
a) if Adelaide travelled alone or with her first husband (Geo. Clark not Ernest Bignell as was first thought)
b) why did Reginald go out later?
c) what happened to her daughter Winifred who was born in 1898? Can't find deaths for either Geo. or Winifred as yet. I am looking on behalf of an elderly relative who was named after Winifred and would love to be able to tell her a little more. I'll keep trying! Thanks again.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 27 Mar 2008 23:49

Do you have this?
1901 census
Stonewall Edgware, Hendon, Middlesex
George A. Clark, head, 30, working farm bailiff, born Edgware
Adelaide D., wife, 30, born Kent, Offham
Winnifred O., dau, 3, born Edgware
Reginald S., son, 8 months, born Edgware

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 27 Mar 2008 23:56

Curious, isn't it? I can't find a death of George or Winnifred and as you say, why did Reginald go to Canada 2 years later? He would only have been 7, he couldn't have gone alone.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 00:09

This looks like her marriage with mis-spellings:

GROOM'S LAST NAME: HODGINS
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM HENRY
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: CLARK
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: ADCAIDE DALINA DATE OF MARRIAGE: 24/03/1910
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1910,004954
REGISTRATION DATE:

From this website:

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 28 Mar 2008 13:54

You have been busy! Many thanks. Yes, this is Adelaide's marriage - despite the peculiar spelling. Someone has been in touch with a possible death in Winnipeg of Winifred in 1909 but the age is showing as 4 which doesn't tally as she would have been about 12 or so - unless it's another case of handwritten error.
Really don't know what to think about Reginald travelling out to Canada on his own - it just doesn't seem feasible I agree - but I guess we don't know what the circumnstances were. Not sure which avenue to go down now. Thanks once again. Regards, Cynthia.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:21

I found her second husband on the 1901 Canadian census. He was married at the time with a young daughter. I found the death of his daughter but not his wife. Get's more complicated, doesn't it? Now you have both partners of the marriage that you can't find the death of their previous spouse!

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:25

I think I may have Reginald's sailing.

A Reginald S Clark aged 7 went from Liverpool on 12 March 1908 sailing to Maine in the US with Agnes Clark, single aged 19, a seamstress. I wonder who Agnes is?

[Edited - see comments below
- probably a coincidence that there was an Agnes Clark travelling on that boat
- and this child is shown as Scotch]

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:27

Wow, a breakthrough! Who's Agnes, then, Cynthia?

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:40

Aha, on a roll (I rarely find any passenger sailings!):

Winifred O aged 9 went with her mother Mrs Delina Clark, married, aged 35 from Liverpool to Montreal on 14 June 1906.

So it seems any records of Winifred are to be found in Canada not the UK.

I wonder if her father had gone over earlier to find work - a farm bailiff would probably have been in demand there?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:50

Great, Ivy! Keep it up. Wonder why Adelaide/Delina would bring Winnifred with her and leave Reginald behind?

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 14:54

Found this record for Reginald looks as above:
Name: Reginald S CLARK
Date of departure: 12 March 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Portland
Destination country: USA

Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)
Age: 7
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Child
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 29
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Agnes CLARK


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Ship: DOMINION
Official Number: 109417
Master's name: W L Mendns
Steamship Line: Dominion
Where bound: Maine, USA
Square feet: 17138
Registered tonnage: 4462
Passengers on voyage: 929


Name: Agnes CLARK
Date of departure: 12 March 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Portland, USA
Passenger destination: Portland, USA

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 19
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Seamstress
Passenger recorded on: Page 5 of 29





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Reginald S CLARK Page 1 of 29 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
DOMINION
109417
W L Mendns
Dominion
Maine, USA
17138
4462
929

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 14:56

Looking at the passenger lists 1 is on page 1 , the other page 5 so they may not have been travelling together.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:56

Sorry, no, Geo/George/George A/GA Clark sailing does not jump out at me. I'd hate to have taken my 9 yr old with me and left the 7 yr old behind for a couple of years. I suppose it might point to a separation, with Reginald staying behind with the Clarks?

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:00

Hi Jackie, apologies, I had thought it was the same page - but I didn't check the image. Oops - quite right - I jumped to the "also travelled" bit without checking the page number (although I did for Delina and Winifred since they were several Clarks on that voyage)

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:05

Umm, I'm wondering about that 1908 sailing now. Page 1 has lots of boys on a couple of tickets, all farm-hands, aged abt 13 upwards, mainly English. Reginald is a single traveller on the ref between these, down in the "Scotch" columns, occupation child.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:17

Has anyone access to North American arrivals?

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 15:25

A second look gives different destinations for Reginald and Agnes, looks like he travelled alone. He is entered as a 2nd class passenger.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:34

Ahh, I see, the ships would visit several ports in the destination country. Winifred and Delina's ship was bound for Montreal, but they had contracted to disembark at Quebec. What were Agnes and Reginald's disembarkation ports?