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MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 17:16

Happy holidays! Cynthia.
Margaret

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 17:11

Yeeeess, so since Reginald was with his mother in 1911, then either this is a different child (I don't have access to Scottish birth records, just England and Wales), or may just possibly be the right Reginald, coincidentally travelling with some home children?

(Edit - sorry, Cynthia, I was distracted half-way through posting this, which is why it doesn't follow on)

All the best with sorting it out!

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 28 Mar 2008 17:01

What wonderful people you are but I'm now totally confused! I am so grateful for the time taken over this. I will print if off and study it in detail. I think Agnes must be a coincidence, but whatever did my great aunt Delma do with her 1st husband? I have a photo of her when she is elderly and she looks a real tartar! Reginald is definitely on the 1911 Canadian Census with his mother and her new husband and I have his military attestation record but why he travelled to Canada as he did remains a mystery. I guess poor little Winifred must have died. Hope I'm making sense here! Am off on holiday for a week tomorrow - I think I need it just to sort this lot out! Many, many thanks all.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 16:52

I must say, though, I have never heard of a home child coming to Canada to join a parent. They were always orphans who were adopted into families here. Some were very lucky and became a member of the family, others were treated as unpaid servants and had a very rough time.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 16:30

The UK records have Matthew and James on the same ship, same year, but leaving Liverpool on 21 May 1908 - which would be a 70 day turnaround for the ship, which sounds feasible.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 16:18

So possibly George (Alfred?) Clark had died before 1906, the family were taken into care (still the workhouse at that date?), and the authorities paid for their passages as they became old enough to work (or once his mother had saved enough to pay for him to join her?)

[Edit, no that wouldn't make sense, Delina is down as married, not widowed]

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 16:07

Oh my goodness! According to this Reginald was a home child, an orphan sent to Canada.

Home Children (1869-1930)
Immigration Records
Item Display
Return to results | Search | Online HelpName: CLARKGiven Name: ReginaldAge: 7Sex: MShip: DominionYear of Arrival: 1908Departure Port: LiverpoolDeparture Date: 12 March 1908Arrival Port: HalifaxArrival Date: 21 March 1908Party: Dr Stephenson'sDestination: Hamilton OntarioComments: Party of National Children's Home and Orphanage childrenSource: Library and Archives CanadaReference: RG76 C 1 bMicrofilm: T-503Type of Record: Passenger ListsGroup of Children Traveling Together

Update, possibly a different Reginald Clark, there was also a Matthew, age 9 and a James, no age given on the same ship.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:34

Ahh, I see, the ships would visit several ports in the destination country. Winifred and Delina's ship was bound for Montreal, but they had contracted to disembark at Quebec. What were Agnes and Reginald's disembarkation ports?

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 15:25

A second look gives different destinations for Reginald and Agnes, looks like he travelled alone. He is entered as a 2nd class passenger.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:17

Has anyone access to North American arrivals?

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:05

Umm, I'm wondering about that 1908 sailing now. Page 1 has lots of boys on a couple of tickets, all farm-hands, aged abt 13 upwards, mainly English. Reginald is a single traveller on the ref between these, down in the "Scotch" columns, occupation child.

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 15:00

Hi Jackie, apologies, I had thought it was the same page - but I didn't check the image. Oops - quite right - I jumped to the "also travelled" bit without checking the page number (although I did for Delina and Winifred since they were several Clarks on that voyage)

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:56

Sorry, no, Geo/George/George A/GA Clark sailing does not jump out at me. I'd hate to have taken my 9 yr old with me and left the 7 yr old behind for a couple of years. I suppose it might point to a separation, with Reginald staying behind with the Clarks?

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 14:56

Looking at the passenger lists 1 is on page 1 , the other page 5 so they may not have been travelling together.

JackieinEssex

JackieinEssex Report 28 Mar 2008 14:54

Found this record for Reginald looks as above:
Name: Reginald S CLARK
Date of departure: 12 March 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Portland
Destination country: USA

Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)
Age: 7
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Child
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 29
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Agnes CLARK


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Ship: DOMINION
Official Number: 109417
Master's name: W L Mendns
Steamship Line: Dominion
Where bound: Maine, USA
Square feet: 17138
Registered tonnage: 4462
Passengers on voyage: 929


Name: Agnes CLARK
Date of departure: 12 March 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Portland, USA
Passenger destination: Portland, USA

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 19
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Seamstress
Passenger recorded on: Page 5 of 29





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Reginald S CLARK Page 1 of 29 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
DOMINION
109417
W L Mendns
Dominion
Maine, USA
17138
4462
929

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:50

Great, Ivy! Keep it up. Wonder why Adelaide/Delina would bring Winnifred with her and leave Reginald behind?

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:40

Aha, on a roll (I rarely find any passenger sailings!):

Winifred O aged 9 went with her mother Mrs Delina Clark, married, aged 35 from Liverpool to Montreal on 14 June 1906.

So it seems any records of Winifred are to be found in Canada not the UK.

I wonder if her father had gone over earlier to find work - a farm bailiff would probably have been in demand there?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:27

Wow, a breakthrough! Who's Agnes, then, Cynthia?

Ivy

Ivy Report 28 Mar 2008 14:25

I think I may have Reginald's sailing.

A Reginald S Clark aged 7 went from Liverpool on 12 March 1908 sailing to Maine in the US with Agnes Clark, single aged 19, a seamstress. I wonder who Agnes is?

[Edited - see comments below
- probably a coincidence that there was an Agnes Clark travelling on that boat
- and this child is shown as Scotch]

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Mar 2008 14:21

I found her second husband on the 1901 Canadian census. He was married at the time with a young daughter. I found the death of his daughter but not his wife. Get's more complicated, doesn't it? Now you have both partners of the marriage that you can't find the death of their previous spouse!