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Census help please - Thirlaway

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chrisa

chrisa Report 26 Feb 2011 12:30

1851 England Census
about Barbara Richardson
Name: Barbara Richardson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Ralph Richardson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Lambton, Durham, England

Civil parish: Haswell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 269
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Richardson 22
Barbara Richardson 27
Mathew Richardson 8 MO
William Hann 35
Dorthy Hann 27 <<<< Wifes sister
Stephen Hann 3


chrisa

chrisa Report 26 Feb 2011 12:35

1871 England Census
about Ann Richardson
Name: Ann Richardson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ralph Richardson
Gender: Female
Where born: Haswell, Durham, England
Civil parish: Haswell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Haswell Colliery
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Richardson 47 <<< Widower
Matthew Richardson 20
Elizabeth Richardson 18
Michael Richardson 15
Ann Richardson 13
Ralph Richardson 7
Margaret Richardson 5
Barbara J Richardson 3


Rhona

Rhona Report 26 Feb 2011 12:44

Chrisa

Well done, reckon that's her.
Father - Michael Thirlaway 1783, mother - Elizabeth Kellot 1787.

That's a great start,

thanks

John (Rhona's Husband)

Rhona

Rhona Report 26 Feb 2011 12:48

Chrisa

Thanks for the 1871 census too.

Narrows the window of Barbara's death to years between 1864 and 1871.

Thanks

John

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 26 Feb 2011 19:13

As young Barbara is 3 years old, it narrows her death to 1867 - 1871

Births Dec 1867
Richardson Barbara Jane Easington 10a 369

Rhona

Rhona Report 26 Feb 2011 22:55

Hi Ozbird

Thanks for that. It was so obvious that I missed it.
There is a Barbara Greener of similar age on the 1881 census, but she is the grandaughter.
Barbara b1867, is not with her father in 1881.

This Barbara is not included in any of my earlier research or sharing of trees, so I guess I was not looking for her. In addition some trees have the grandaughter as Barbara Richardson......I wonder!
Thanks for the birth details.

Chrisa and Midlands Margaret have confirmed Barbara Thirlaway b1828's death:
Deaths Dec 1870
Richardson Barbara 44 Stockton 10a91.

Thanks to all of you for your help

John


Rhona

Rhona Report 6 Mar 2011 19:31

Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid a couple of queries have arisen.

I would be grateful for full census information for the 1841, 1851 and 1871 returns recently provided on this thread.
Please include relationship, occupation and place of birth.

In the 1841 census for the Thirlaway family it shows Margaret as 50.
I gather it should be 30. She's the eldest daughter.

In the 1871 census for the Richardson family, I gather that 3 year old Barbara is the grandaughter, not the daughter, as presumed since the relationship is not on the thread.

Thanks

John.
Confirmation of this will widen the period for the death of Barbara Richardson nee Thirlaway, to 1864 - 1871, once again.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 19:47

I disagree with the 1851 census as posted for Barbara Richardson. William Hann is a visitor and Dorthy Hann is wife of visitor not wife's sister.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 19:53

1871 census
Haswell, Durham
Ralph Richardson, head, widower, 47, coal miner
Matthew, son, 20, coal miner
Elizabeth, dau, 18
Michael, son, 15, coal miner
Ann, dau, 13
Ralph, son, 7
Margaret, dau, 5
Barbara J., grandau, 3
All born Haswell except father born Winston, Durham.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 20:00

1851 census
Haswell, Durham
Ralph Richardson, head, 22, born Lambton, Durham
Barbara, wife, 27, born "
Matthew, son, 8 months, born Haswell
William Hann, visitor, 35, born Lambton
Dorthy Hann, visitor's wife, 27, born '
Stephen Hann, visitor's son, 3, born Haswell

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 20:05

Yes, Margaret is definitely 30 on that 1841 census.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 6 Mar 2011 20:18

Ralph is a coal miner in 1851, too.

Ozi

Rhona

Rhona Report 6 Mar 2011 20:33

Thanks Madbull and Ozibird. that's a great help.

Any chance of a fuller return on the 1841 census too?
Your help is much appreciated.

John

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 20:50

41 census doesn't give much info, no relationships and ages of those over 15 are rounded down to nearest 5 or 0.
1841 census
Butcher's Row, Haswell, Durham
Michael Thorlaway, 55, coal miner
Elizabeth, 53
Margaret, 30, coal miner?
Robert, 20, coal miner
Maria, 18
Dorthey, 16
Michel, 14,
Barbary, 12
Will'm, 2
All born in county.
There's a ditto mark under occupation for Margaret signifying that she was a coal miner. I doubt it but...
Also looks like the enumerator didn't follow the rounding down instruction. Not all of them did.

Rhona

Rhona Report 6 Mar 2011 21:01


Madbull

Thanks for all your help this evening

John

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 6 Mar 2011 23:04

MadBull


women were also coal miners in some areas, so not impossible



sylvia


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 23:09

Agreed, Sylvia. Hard to imagine though, isn't it, in the 1840's?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 6 Mar 2011 23:15

It is indeed ......... especially as some of the books I've read say that the women's job was to pull carts underground


ie, rather like horses!




sylvia

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Mar 2011 23:26

Is it any worse than housework today? Bah humbug!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Mar 2011 00:50

lol!!