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Hi,
Iam trying to find the father of Norman Pickles. His parent's were James Pickles and Elizabeth Ord Turner. According to their marriage certificate he was 19 in May 1902. I have traced him as James Pickles born in Dewsbury in 1883 which fits with the general area in which they lived but his mother's surname is then Barber rather than Waite as expected. The expectation is based on others tracing the Pickles line. Can anyone help me or suggest what next?
Sharon

I'm a little confused here - if james is Nornan's father is it the father of James you are trying to find. Who was 19 in 1902? Where did 'they' get married?
please could you put the details a little more clearly so we can perhaps help you

for future reference it is also helpful if you put the name of the person you are seeking in the subject line so people can see at a glance down the seeking board who you are looking fopr

Sorry it does look confusing on reading it back!

Looking for James Pickles born approx 1883 married in 1902 in Birstall Yorks to Elizabeth Ord Turner.
Son is Norman Pickles.
Family is from around the Batley area in Yorkshire.
I think he is James Pickles born 1883 from Dewsbury but the birth certificate I have just received lists him as having Mary Ann Barber as a mother. I was expecting Mary Ann Waite based on info given by other genes reunited members.

What is the occupation of James from the 1902 marriage cert ?

Also the name of his father & occupation?


1901 only because of the registration district ??

Name: James Pickles
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Birstall
Ecclesiastical parish: Birstall St Peter
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub registration district: Gomersal
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Pickles 14
Emily Pickles 20
Florence A Pickles 22
James Pickles 49 Hull
James Pickles 18
Mary A Pickles 47
Ann Waite 73



Ann Waite listed as mother-in-law born Batley

1891 census
Coal Pit Lane, 2 Ineson's B, Batley, Yorkshire
James Pickles, head, 40, cloth finisher
Mary A., wife, 37
Samuel, son, 15, cloth cutter
Florence A., dau, 12, scholar
Emily, dau, 10, scholar
*James, son, 8, scholar
Annie, dau, 4
Father born Hull, all others born Batley.

It could mean that Ann Waite remarried at some stage.

cannot find a marriage Pickles/Waite but there is Pickles/Barber
SEPT QTR 1874
DEWSBURY
9b
844

This looks like the marriage of James and Mary Ann

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)

<<Barber Mary Ann Dewsbury 9b 844
BROOKE George Dewsbury 9b 844
<<Pickles James Dewsbury 9b 844
Ward Elisabeth Dewsbury 9b 844

Christine

1861 worth looking at

Name: Mary A Barber
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Batley
Ecclesiastical parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub registration district: Batley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Barber 10
Mary A Barber 7
Rebecca Barber 11
Ann Waite 33
Ann Waite 17
Isaac Waite 15
Mary A Waite 9
Samuel Waite 45

1881 census
Back Cresent St., Batley, Yorkshire
James Pickles, head, 29, woollen cloth finisher, born Hull
Mary A., wife, 27, born Heckmondwike
Samuel, son, 5
Florence A., dau, 2
Emily, dau, 7 months
Children born Batley.

1861 England Census
about Mary A Barber
Name: Mary A Barber
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Batley
Ecclesiastical parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub registration district: Batley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Barber 10
Mary A Barber 7
Rebecca Barber 11
Ann Waite 33
Ann Waite 17
Isaac Waite 15
Mary A Waite 9
Samuel Waite 45


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3401; Folio: 61; Page: 7

Christine

1851
Name: Ann Barber
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub registration district: Morley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Barber 23
Rebecca Barber 1
William Barber 25

Barber family in 1851, so it looks as if William died and Ann remarried

1851 England Census
about Rebecca Barber
Name: Rebecca Barber
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub registration district: Morley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Barber 23
Rebecca Barber 1
William Barber 25


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2322; Folio: 426; Page: 14;

Christine

1871 census
Alma Terr., Batley, Yorkshire
Samuel Pickles, head, 44, cloth dresser,born Morley, Yorks
Mary A., wife, 58, born Hull, Yorks
*James, son, 19, cloth dresser, born Hull
William, son, 12, scholar, born Batley
Elizabeth, dau, 8, scholar, born Batley
Betty, dau, 7, scholar, born Batley

1851
Name: Isaac Waite
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Guiseley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Guiseley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Otley
Sub registration district: Yeadon
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Waite 12
Ann Waite 8
Hannah Waite 32
Isaac Waite 5
Mark Waite 15
Samuel Waite 35

marriageName: Samuel Waite /Ann Barber
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 94

At the moment it looks as if whoever altered the name of Mary A Pickles on the 1901 census to Waite was incorrect. Obviously based the name correction on the name of the mother being Waite.

Naughty obviously did not check their facts correctly and unfortunately they can not be contacted to tell them of their error.

Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)

<<Barber Ann Bradford Yk 9b 94
Tommis Mary Bradford Yk. 9b 94
<<Waite Samuel Bradford Yk 9b 94
Wilkinson Joseph Bradford Yk 9b 94

Christine

It just goes to show the importance of getting the certificates.

Christine

Christine,

Yes it is very important to get the certs.

And also not to trust the information given by other people until you check it yourself.

Brilliant teamwork on this one.

Maureen