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Hi am trying to find some details on Edward Cragg and his children

The 1851 Census shows:
1. Edward Cragg living at Neuton Road in the village of Newton in the Parish of Whittington.
2. He is listed as Age 54 (which would make is year of birth about 1797) and born in Melling.
3. He is listed on the Census as a farmer owning 15 Acres of freehold land (most probably near the village).
4. He is married to a Mabel Cragg (Unknown maiden name)
5. He has five children:
o Edward Blackburn Cragg (aged 13) – This is my ancestor who came to Australia
o Thomas Cragg (aged 12) – Married an Ellen Shaw ?
o Mary Cragg (aged 9) – Married a Thomas Martin?
o William Cragg (aged 6) - ?
o Stephen Moorby (aged 20) – stepson


Does anyone have information on where Thomas, Mary, William & Stephen end up?

Marriage of Thomas

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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Cragg Thomas Lancaster 8e 921

SHAW Ellen Lancaster 8e 921

So do you have your direct ancestors birth cert? This would give Mabels maiden name (and previous married name) £7 from gro online using this reference. I think you should buy it to confirm the mother as it may or may not be the Mabel shown on the 1851 census, who is a second wife.

Births Dec 1837
CRAGG Edward Blackburn Lancaster 21 365

Marys marriage#

Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Cragg Mary Lancaster 8e 711
Martin Thomas Lancaster 8e 711

1851 purely for info

Name: Edward Cragg
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mabel
Gender: Male
Where born: Melling, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Whittington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub registration district: Caton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Cragg 54
Edward Cragg 13
Mabel Cragg 48 Middews, Westmorland
Mary Cragg 9 Whitton, Lancashire
Thomas Cragg 12 Whitton, Lancashire
William Cragg 6 Whitton, Lancashire
Stephen Moorby 20 Whitton, Lancashire
Edwd Newton 8
James Newton 6
Rebecca Tallon 6
Thomas Tallon 19

1901 England Census
about Stephen Moorby
Name: Stephen Moorby
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Whittington, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leck
Ecclesiastical parish: Leck St Peter
Town: Leck
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Lunesdale
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
John R Moorby 23
Sarah Moorby 60
Stephen Moorby 73





Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3998; Folio: 18; Page: 1.

1861 England Census
about Stephen Moorby
Name: Stephen Moorby
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Whittington
Ecclesiastical parish: Whittington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub registration district: Arkholme
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
James Moorby 12
Jane Moorby 39 Wife
John Moorby 34 Head, Married Ag. Lab
Mabel Moorby 8
Stephen Moorby 29 Widower, Ag. Lab
Christopher Witherborn 35 Boarder

Second marriage..can't find first yet

First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
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>>>Major Sarah Lunesdale 8e 1035
>>>Moorby Stephen Lunesdale 8e 1035
Moore Stephen Lunesdale 8e 1035
WHITELEY Mary Lunesdale 8e 1035

Marriage Possible William

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
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BATTY Alice Lancaster 8e 1069
CRAGG William Lancaster 8e 1069

1881 England Census
about Stephen Moorby
Name: Stephen Moorby
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leck
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Cowan Bridge
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:
Occupation: Carrier

Registration district: Lunesdale
Sub registration district: Tunstal
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Major 10 Step daughter
Elizabeth A. Moorby 1
John R. Moorby 3
Sarah Moorby 36
Stephen Moorby 50
William Moorby 5

1841 England Census
about Mable Cragg
Name: Mable Cragg
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Whittington
Hundred: Lonsdale (South of the Sands)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub registration district: Arkholme
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Edwd Cragg 40
Edwd Cragg 4
Mable Cragg 35
Thos Cragg 2



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 531; Book: 22; Civil Parish: Whittington; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 3;



1851 Census

The Tallon and Newton children listed on the 1851 census were Pauper Scholars and Boarders.

I have been looking on the 1841 image - Although it is not transcribed as being in the same household, there is Stephen Moorby and what looks like Joseph Moorby ALSO a James ???? Cragg 75 years old which could well be Edwards father.

There is also another Cragg further down the page - a possible brother.

The writing is very poor and so I have tried to follow them through on IGI to confirm the names but as yet haven't come up with anything certain.

Perhaps someone else could have a look?

Dea x

Well done LFW.

Following on from there:

MABEL SLINGER Pedigree
Female Family



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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN MOORBY Family
Marriage: 07 OCT 1826 Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland, England

Dea x

This COULD possibly be Mabel?? - 1851 has her born Middleton, Westmorland:

MABBY SLINGER
Christening: 29 AUG 1802 Middleton, Westmorland, England


Parents:
Father: STEPHEN SLINGER Family
Mother: MARY

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Other siblings:
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. JANE SLINGER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 JUN 1800 Middleton, Westmorland, England

2. MABBY SLINGER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 AUG 1802 Middleton, Westmorland, England

3. RICHARD SLINGER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 NOV 1804 Middleton, Westmorland, England

4. EDWARD SLINGER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 SEP 1807 Middleton, Westmorland, England

Dea x

If this IS Mabel then more info on her parents:

Stephen Slinger

Christening: 22 JUN 1777 Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland, England


Marriage:
Spouse: Mary Morehouse
Marriage: 25 NOV 1799 Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland, England

Dea x

Blimey, only just looked at this - John should be overwhelmed with all this but it would be nice if he could be advised how to search himself.

Yes. I am overwhelmed by so much information in such a short period time. I thank you all (especially Pam, Dea and ‘Lost For Words’) for your time and effort in retrieving all of this data. I shall go through it over the next couple days.

To explain, I am not familiar with the record system in England or the country’s geography. For instance I know Whittington is in the county of Lancashire but where are the records held for this village? In Australia birth, deaths and marriages are centralised at state level. Each state keeps registers of such things so it’s easy to retrieve this information.

I have one final question and I am hoping that Pam or Dea may have the answer. The Edward Cragg mentioned in my original posting, who are his parents? This is where I am stuck.

Once again thank you all.

Regards

John Cragg

John

To answer your question

Records on bmds began on July 1 1837. They were kept at the local Registry Office, then sent down to the General Records Office (GRO) in London at 3 monthly intervals.

You access them on www.freebmd.org.uk ........ a site where volunteers are entering all the GRO records from 1837 to 1983 onto the internet. They are currently upto about 1925 or 1930 for many areas.

Marriages and deaths had to be registered immediately, but births can be registered within 6 weeks of the birth ....... also it was not compulsory to register a birth until about 1875, so you may find birth records missing. In addition, records may not have reached GRO for one reason or another.

Each county is slowly developing its' own BMD site ...... and you are lucky in that Lancashire is one that has a lot of information on it, and ALSO that the Lancashire site often shows the mother's maiden name ............... most of them do not!

Go to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

I use this frequently!!


www.ukbmd.org.uk is another site, on this one you can enter the name of the county of interest and find out what holdings there are.



sylvia

Your ancestor Edward Cragg was born before official records were kept, so you are now down to looking in Parish Records.

You could try looking on the International Genealogical Index on the Mormon site, Family Search. Just make sure that any records are EXTRACTED or taken from the actual record. Treat SUBMITTED reocrds with great caution .... they have been sent in (submitted) by church members, and should not be taken as the gospel truth!!


go to www.familysearch.org

click on Advanced Search

Click on International Genealogical Index.



You MIGHT find something on there!




sylvia

Sylvia,

Thanks for your advice. I shall look up some of these sources shortly.

John