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I am trying to sort out this Presbury (alternative spelling PresTbury) family. The furthest back I have got is Sarah. Unfortunately this is her married name. I have her on 1851 census living 62 B ridge Street, Derby aged 36 and it states a WIDOW. By 1861 she has remarried a Peter Belfield and is living with her husband Peter, his two children Harriet and Peter 16 and 12 respectively, plus two of her own children Bessy/Betsy and George plus a child William which she has obviously had by Peter Belfield. In order to possibly progress further on the Presbury/Prestbury line, I tried to find a marriage on freebmd of a Sarah? to a somebody Presbury to try and find her husband. No success. Right I thought, I'll try male deaths from 1851 to 1861 to see if I could see one in Derby - no success. Then I suddenly realised that she was supposedly a widow by 1851 and yet son George is only 6 in 1861 - a birth year presumably of 1855 !! Was she not a widow in 1851 or is George the child of an unknown but registered as a Presbury. I really need to find out who Sarah's husband was to be able to proceed. I would be really grateful for any help anyone can give. Thank you.

1851 for ref, have had problems finding them.

Have you seen the other Presbury's in the household as lodgers

1851 England Census
about Sarah Presbarry
Name: Sarah Presbarry
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sulbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Derby
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 3h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Genney 25
Betsey Presbarry 10 Mo
Mary Presbarry 5
Sarah Presbarry 36
Elizabeth Presbury 70
John Presbury 41


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2143; Folio: 681; Page: 5;

Christine

This looks like Betseys birth reg.

Births Jun 1850 (>99%)


Presbury Bessy Derby 19 6[53]0

and Georges

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Births Sep 1854 (>99%)


Presbury George Bradbury Derby 7b 354

Could this be her in 1841????????


1841 Census

Name: Sarah Presbury
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Presbury 65 b.ca 1776, Staffordshire, Pauper
John Presbury 30 b.ca 1811, Staffordshire, Ag Lab
John Presbury 3 b.ca 1838, Not Born in County
Sarah Presbury 25

Address:- Thorney Land, Abbots Bromley, Hanbury



sylvia

on the 1851

Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Genney 25 b.ca 1826, Lodger, Silk Mill
Betsey Presbarry 10 Mo b.ca 1850, Derbyshire
Mary Presbarry 5 b.ca 184, Derbyshire
Sarah Presbarry 36 Head, Milk Dealer
Elizabeth Presbury 70 b.ca 1781, Tulbury, Staffordshire, Widow
John Presbury 41 b.ca 1810, Tulberry, Staffordshire, Unmarrid, Ag Lab

Address:- 62 Bridge Street




what's the betting Sarah was not married before, and that Pres(t)bury is her maiden name, with Elizabeth being her mother and John her brother?????


sylvia

from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org ... a free site, just be very very wary of SUBMITTED records!!


SARAH PRESBURY Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 23 JAN 1815 Tutbury, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN PRESBURY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


sylvia

here are examples of a SUBMITTED record .. assumed, no backing documentation!!!!!


but they are yours! You just have to find the proof!!!!


Mary Presbury Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 07 JUL 1843 Derby, Derby, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Peter Belfield Family
Mother: Sarah Presbury

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


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Bessie Presbury Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: JUN 1850 Derby, Derby, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Peter Belfield Family
Mother: Sarah Presbury

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.



sylvia

Christine and Sylvia - thank you so very much for your hard work. I have struggled with this for ages ! and Sylvia, I think you could be solved the mystery -perhaps she described herself as a widow to preserve her reputation !! even though she seems to have destroyed it twice over !! Bless you both for helping me.

from IGI

Parents John Presbury and Elizabeht, all records EXTRACTED from church records

ANN PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 APR 1818 Tutbury, Stafford, England

MARY PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 AUG 1805 Tutbury, Stafford, England

SARAH PRESBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JAN 1815 Tutbury, Stafford, England

JOHN PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 MAR 1808 Tutbury, Stafford, England


Plus the following two:-

Information SUBMITTED by church member, parents John Presbury and Elizabeth Brandrick

Elizabeth Presbury - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1812 Tutbury, Stafford, England


Information SUBMITTED, parents John Presbury and Elizabeth

FRANCIS PRESBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1812 Tutbury, Stafford, England
died 15 March 1892



sylvia

Margaret, you are very welcome!!


sylvia

I wonder what Mary and Bessie's birth certificates would say???


It would cost £7 each to buy them from www.gro.gov.uk, but could solve the problem



sylvia

Thank you Sylvia for the additional IGI info. It looks as if they could well be mine as Sarah Presbury did marry Peter Belfield later but he certainly wasn't the father of Mary, Betsy or George. On 1861 census Betsy and George are described as step=children and Mary does not appear at all. I think that they are either (a) all illegitimate children of Sarah or - if we have misjudged her - children of her first marriage. If that was the case, it would make the old Elizabeth Presbury her mother-in-law and not her mother !! I don't suppose we will ever know and unfortunately I don't think I will ever find out who was Sarah's father. Anyway, thank you very much for your help.

Gosh Sylvia - I have just seen the info re possible father for Sarah. I was busy typing my previous reply to you and didn't see it. You absolute gem - you have made my day. Thanks a million.

Margaret

thanks for the email!


You are very welcome. I enjoy the hunt!!!


Not sure how you will "prove" it though!!!!



sylvia

Margaret

go to www.rootsweb.com

enter Peter Belfield in the boxes to the left of the screen.

Someone as a data base for a Peter Belifeild born in Belper, Derbyshire. Unfortunately not wife, just his parents.


I couldn't find anyhting for Sarah



sylvia

I found this on ancestry under England and Wales Christening Records 1530 - 1906


Name: Sarah Presbury
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 9 Mar 1817
Christening Place: Newborough, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: James Presbury
Mother's Name: Joice




where's Newborough????????


sylvia

This looks like James and Joyce, will see if I can find them in 1841

1851 England Census
about James Presbury
Name: James Presbury
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1775
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Joyce
Gender: Male
Where born: Newborough, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Uttoxeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
James Presbury 76
Joyce Presbury 72

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2010; Folio: 404; Page: 16

Christine

Here they are in 1841, image looks like Pressbury, still doesn't help but it's the same area as Sarah in 1841

1841 England Census
about James Poessbey
Name: James Poessbey
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Poessbey 65
Joiee Poessbey 55


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 976; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Hanbury; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 19; Page: 7; Line: 13;

Christine

Joyce certainly lived to a ripe old age

1861 England Census
about Joyce Presbury
Name: Joyce Presbury
Age: 83
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rocester, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Newborough
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Joyce Presbury 83



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1956; Folio: 61; Page: 6;

England Census
about Joyce Presbury
Name: Joyce Presbury
Age: 93
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Newborough
Town: Newborough
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joyce Presbury 93

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2894; Folio: 62; Page: 7;

Christine

so which is the right Sarah Presbury!!

daughter of James and Joyce or daughter of John and Elizabeth????


She (ie Sarah) is very clear all the way about being born in Tulbury, Staffordshire, which makes me lean to the first one I found, ie, John and Elizabeth. BUT I'm not sure enough of my Staffordshire geography ... never went there even when I lived in the UK!!


sylvia