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Mgnv,
Thanks, appreciated!

MaryMc

Note that Thomas + Mary Ann Docker are only a couple of doors away from John in 1861 (same page).

A search for Reb* Orson in 1851 turns up another hit (but wrong age and no sis Julia). However, it's not a common combination of names, and I'm wondering if they're cousins, both named after their gran.

1851 England Census
Civil Parish: Sysonby
Ecclesiastical parish: Melton Mowbray
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Onsons Lodge
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Sub registration district: Somerby
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 4

Francis Orson 45 Old Dalby, Leicestershire, England Head M Farmer 480 ac 11 Labour
Ann Orson 36 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Wife M
John Orson 16 Loughborough, Leicestershire, England Son U Farmers Son
William Orson 13 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Son Scholar
Robert Orson 11 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Son Scholar
Mary Ann Orson 9 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Daughter Scholar
Francis Orson 8 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Son Scholar
James Orson 7 Asfordby, Leicestershire, England Son Scholar
Rebeckha Orson 5 Sysonby, Leicestershire, England Daughter Scholar
Elizabeth Barr Orson 3 Sysonby, Leicestershire, England Daughter Scholar
Henry Marriett Orson 2 Sysonby, Leicestershire, England Son Infant
Ann Jane Orson 10 Mo Sysonby, Leicestershire, England Daughter Infant
Elizabeth Doubleday 17 Long Claxton, Leicestershire, England Daughter Governess
Mary Hall 17 Broughton, Leicestershire, England Daughter Household Servant
Frances Werton 15 Holwell, Leicestershire, England Daughter Farm Maid
George Spybee 23 Wartonby, Leicestershire, England Daughter [male age] U Agricultural Labourer
John Allen 19 Sealford, Leicestershire, England Daughter [male age] U Agricultural Labourer
Freeman Thomas [Thomas Freeman] 51 Withcote, Leicestershire, England Daughter [male age] M Shephard

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2091; Folio: 311; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87719.

[Overenthusiastic dittoing]

Happy hunting,


Ozi.

Thank you!

That's great - very much appreciated :)

MaryMc

At long last!

Name: Louisa Cowley
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Kington, Herefordshire, England


Civil Parish: Birmingham St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 13 Stoke St [I think]

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
John Cowley 40 - tailor; Stockton, Durham
Mary Cowley 32
George Cowley 19
Henry Cowley 10
Arthur Cowley 8
Louisa Cowley 5
Octavius Cowley 4
Henry Bolter 14 - stepson; shoe maker [I think, the image is atrocious - faded ink]

All, except John, born Kington.



Marriages Sep 1864
>>>>Cowley Laura Kate King's N 6c 608
Homan Thomas Kings N. 6c 608
Read Sarah Ann Kings N 6c 608
>>>>Rhoades Henry Kings N 6c 608

OK - this could be Mum.

Deaths Dec 1843
COWLEY Ellen Presteign &c 26 187



......... & Dad.

Marriages Dec 1847
>>>>BOULTER Mary Presteigne 26 375
BOUND John Presteigne 26 375
>>>>COWLEY John Presteigne 26 375
DAVIES Mary Presteigne 26 375
Morris Samuel Presteigne 26 375
PROBERT Elizabeth Presteigne 26 375
Rawlings Anne Presteigne 26 375
SAVIGAR John Presteigne 26 375

I'm still looking for Laura. This looks like her but can't find her on 1851.

IGI Individual Record
LAURA KATE COWLEY
Christening: 16 APR 1843 Kington, Hereford, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN COWLEY
Mother: ELEANOR
Source Information:
Batch No.: C137162
Dates: 1729 - 1875


Results for: British Isles
Father: John Cowley, Mother: Eleanor
Batch Number: C137162

1. JOHN GRANT COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAR 1837 Kington, Hereford, England

2. ARTHUR COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 DEC 1838 Kington, Hereford, England

3. WILLIAM THOMAS COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAR 1837 Kington, Hereford, England

4. OCTAVUS COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 SEP 1841 Kington, Hereford, England

5. GEORGE JEREMIAH COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAR 1837 Kington, Hereford, England

6. HENRY MORGAN COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 OCT 1837 Kington, Hereford, England

7. LAURA KATE COWLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 APR 1843 Kington, Hereford, England

Brilliant, cheers,
now I can find them in other census.

Thanks again!

MaryMc

Perhaps:

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Rhodes
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Castle Bromwich
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Acre Green

Occupation:

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Rhodes 41 - ag lab
Elizabeth Rhodes 64 [age 44 on image]
George J Rhodes 12
Charlotte Rhodes 8
Henry Rhodes 6
John H Rhodes 6
Joseph Rhodes 1

All born Aston.

Thanks! I'm very grateful :)

MaryMc

Possibility:

1851 England Census
Name: John Docker
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Deritend and Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 163 Darwin St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Docker 42 - Brass founder; Birmingham
Mary Ann Docker 41 - Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire
Thomas Docker 12
John Docker 11
Mary Ann Docker 9
William Docker 5

All children born Birmingham.

1841 England Census
Name: Rebecca Orson
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Wymondham
Hundred: Framland
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Sub registration district: Waltham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Orson 75 - Independent
Ann Orson 35
Rasin Orson 10
Stephen Orson 3
Rebecca Orson 3 Mo

Brilliant - thanks so much!

MaryMc

In 1871 Rebecca is born Leicestershire. Only one I can find ...


1851 England Census
Name: Rebecca Orson
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Syston, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Orson 47
James Orson 44
Julia Orson 6
Rebecca Orson 10
Stephen B Orson 14

Well, I got the certs and yes, her Fathers name was Henry - goodness knows why she said it was Joseph!.

Anyway, now I have:

Maud Lily Docker born 6th Nov 1881, Aston, Birmingham to Henry and Laura Rhodes (nee Cowley).

And James Docker born 7th May 1871, Aston, Birmingham to John and Rebecca Docker (nee Orson).

I can now go look in the census for both of them- except for 1851, which I don't have access to.

If someone kind could do an 1851 census lookup, I'd be very grateful!

Thanks in advance!

MaryMc

Jill,
Never thought of that!

Unfortunately, I don't know when they died, so that doesn't help me.

Do you know when the fathers of the happy couple died?

It's possible that they only knew their fathers by the names that other people called them, or the names that the father chose to call himself. His "real" name could have been anything and his chosen name could have been his middle name. I have a few like that and they are a pain in the proverbial to track down.

Jill

Looks like I'll have to be patient and wait for the birth certs!

Yes, this is her birth:

Births Dec 1881.

Rhodes, Maud Lily.

Aston.

Vol 6d. Page 289.

Betty,
I'm almost certain she was born in Birmingham - I'll double check my notes and come back in a while..

It's the Dad's name that seems to be the sticking point!

Thanks