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Hi folks..just don't copy and paste..make it conversational and personal like i do.

Derek

Ancestry are well within their rights to complain to GR as someone has already suggested. GR would then have a legal obligation to ensure that all their subscribers are aware of this.

It's a pity as posting Ancestry details on GR in my humble opinion does encourage people to take out a subscription with Ancestry.

Perhaps Ancestry are worried that they are losing subscribers. This however could be down to their recent pricing policy changes when they increased their charges in return for access to less information?.

I wish that Ancestry could see how many times members on GenesR recommend that people take up the Ancestry 14 day free trial and I wonder how many subsequently take out a subscription.....we've been advertising the Ancestry site for free...wish I'd been on commission !

So what about copying and pasting from free sites?

ie.......freebmd and the IGI? Is that acceptable ? or do we have to put it in our own words for that as well?


Nicky

Well, Ancestry and GR will both be losing my subscription money.

I use both sites only to help others.......I have absolutely no need of either of them for my own research

Thats a real shame Eric as your help on here will be duly missed..... maybe GR could enlighten us ALL as to what is acceptable to post and what isn`t in plain English.... not just the legal jargon in the Ts and Cs.


Nicky

I am confused by this?I have had my lookup thread deleted twice before and if it was for the reason of copying and pasting records and i was breaking rules then why did Genes tell me to start another 1 up and give me no punishment?
I should imagine that Genes have added this to the T and C to cover themselves if any problems occur from other sites.If they had a problem with people doing copying and pasting they would not allow members who have been found to be doing this do lookups again or would at least punish them?
Society all way round doesn't seem to like people helping other's does it!

***Michelle***

Eric !!!
You are one of the most invaluable, respected fountains of knowledge on this site.

Don't you even think about throwing the towel in.....Your Country Needs YOU ...well, maybe that's a bit dramatic but Genes members need you and your little grey cells.
Just remember how many members have been grateful for your help and advice in getting just that little bit further in their research !!

I was thinking of asking for an Ancestry sub from my family for Christmas as I would love to be able to help others more than I can at present. Don't think I'll bother now.

n

Alice, that is absolutely spot on !
But there seems to be panic setting in on this thread. The copyright law is been infringed every hour of the day and little is done about it, so don't worry.

Hello once again,
It's all to do with copyright law. You can copy. Sometimes only with the express permission of the copyright holder. Other times you are allowed to copy only a portion and then acknowledge the copyright holder. The same would be true of looking up any information from discs you may have purchased from any Family History Societies covering Parish Records for Births, Deaths and Marriages. They too often have an agreement which you must accept when you run up the disc.

If you give the details of where information can be found i.e. reference numbers etc. then I don't believe this infringes copyright, otherwise a library list of books could be considered as an infringement of authors work.

There must be someone on this board who is a librarian or who is in a job and know the rules and regulations that could be put into plain words for us.

Er Hello GR.....!!!!! we`re all in a quandry here........please enlighten...... A sticky thread at the top of each board should suffice.



Nicky

To be honest, Im surprised its taken this long for ancestry to put their foot down. They have known about this for a long time and Id assumed that they probably read the threads and felt that they were getting a lot of subs through recommendations. But as we know, they changed hands a year or so back so may be thats why everything is tightening up. You cant really blame them. If you were offering a service and found people passing on the info you sold for free youd be miffed.

We can still give say, give the family group names though, without all the other reference materials and of course if someone else has a sub and are merely asking for clarification on something then that must be ok too.

Its very time consuming though to type all the details down. Which means less help to those who need it.

The way I read it is that we can still put up the information for people ...... just don't c&p the record in its entirety from ancestry, or any other site which demands a subscription

As freebmd is a FREE site, and so is familysearch, then there surely can be no copyright protectection ....... in any case I usually tell people where I have found that free information, and direct them how to use it themselves.



I think it just means ....... be a bit careful!!!




sylvia

This is from the freeBMD site....

FreeBMD is provided free of charge for personal research purposes only.

Access to the data held by FreeBMD is only permitted manually via the search page. The use of front end programs or sites to enter search parameters is strictly forbidden

Data extracted from FreeBMD must not be reproduced in any form.


The last one is the most telling.... seems we are infringing thier T&C's by C & P'ing here too....

Grrr


Tracey x

Has this been put on "trying to find"board as well because not everyone looks on this board,so i think it might be a good idea to pass it round a bit more

Even if Ancestry had boards like on GR it would make a huge difference as well. Have you ever tried to use their message Boards? They are very difficult to work around. I do not even bother to try any more.

Gail

I wouldn't say we're panicing David, however i persoanlly have had 3 threads offering help deleted by the powers that be.....

...and the same experience as others, they say nothing..... it wouldn;t be so bad if you had warning what you were doing was wrong, but no they just whooooosh it!!!!


Tracey