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Can anyone help me trace Kate? She was born about 1856 in London and married Elias Park 1875, registered at Mile End Old Town. She died in 1935 I think. Her daughter Grace born 1890 was my grandmother, who died 1938. The surname may have been Dumoulin originally, and I think the family came from Holland, as did the Park family.
Thanks a lot - Claire

Do you have Elias & Kate's marriage certificate ?
It should give you their fathers names

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Elias Park
Name: Elias Park
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 1257

for interest.....

Demoulin Name Meaning and History
French: topographic name, with the preposition de, from moulin ‘mill’, or a habitational name from any of the numerous places named with this word. See also Moulin. In French-speaking countries Dumoulin, or the plural, Desmoulins, is the more common form. All are frequently translated as Miller.

Dumoulin Name Meaning and History
French: from du moulin ‘from the mill’, applied as a topographic name for someone who lived at a mill, or, by extension, as an occupational name for a miller. In North America this name is particularly associated with Fonteneau (see Fontenot). See also Demoulin.

Distribution of Dumoulin Families in England and Wales in 1891...
Minor in Lancashire and Surrey
Majority in London

Thanks for the info on the surnames. My mum, who is nearly 90 and remembers Kate as Granny Park and very old, always thought that she was French. The Park family I have traced back to Holland with the help of other GR members, and I just had a feeling that the families may have come from the same area. On the 1891 census Kate & Elias were living with their children and a Jane Dumoulin who I think may have been her mother, and possibly brother Charles who is also on the 1901 census.
I have ordered the marriage certificate so hopefully I can find out more.
Thanks again for your help
Claire

the name does appear to come mostly from Belgium - example

Husband
Théodore Joseph Demoulin Pedigree


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Wife
Anne Josèphe Chenet Pedigree


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Children

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1. Catherine Josèphe Demoulin Pedigree
Female

Birth: 18 OCT 1759 Saint Michel, , Namur, Belgium
Christening: 19 OCT 1759 Namur, Namur, Belgium
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Yes I have checked out a lot of Demoulins in Belgium and France - how much time can you waste tracking the wrong people!! I am really going on my Mum's memory of her being French but until I find the parents it's a puzzle.I traced a John and Jane Dumoulin on the 1851 census with children including Charles and Grace - knowing how popular it was to call children after relatives it may explain why Kate called her daughter Grace (my grandmother). John Demoulin was born about 1812 and I have found a marriage between John Cornelius Du Moulin to Grace Davidson in 1811, and Jas (Joseph?) Adrianus Dumoulin to Jane Davidson in 1812, both in Limehouse. Both names suggest Dutch Belgium or French descent?
Can anyone suggest how to find out more - I have searched all the census and can't trace much more so again the name may have changed to become more anglicised.
A bit of family history - soon after Kate died her daughter Grace went with my mum to a spiritualist evening. She was told that there was an old lady standing in the corner shaking...Kate died of Parkinson's disease, which no-one there knew. Grace was very upset, and my mum has never forgotten it. If only Kate would send me a message now!!

Just posting these in case they have any connections

Births Jun 1850
Dumoulin Grace St. Lukes 2 319

Births Sep 1854
Deneulain Mary Ann Stepney 1c 498

Births Mar 1856
DENEULAIN Ellen Louisa Stepney 1c 490

I am sure that Grace born 1850 is Kate's older sister. Grace is on 1851 census as 10 months old so that fits, and Charles is 5, so would be approx 10 when Kate born. That would make details of the 1891 census correct when Charles is lodging with Kate and Elias Park.
Can anyone help me find out if the family were possiblyHuguenot as there are a lot of Desmoulins christened between 1722 and 1738 at a French Huguenot church in Threadneedle Street, all with the same parents, Jean Desmoulins and Judith(Judig) Huet.

hello, I think a member called Richard was offering Hugenot look ups a little while ago, here is the link to his thread.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1005427

Thanks everyone for the help so far! I may have to step back from searching for a while as I am moving my Mum in with us, as she doesn't want to be on her own any more....not much fun being old. Next few days will be busy with washing all her china and finding homes for all the silk flowers!
When she is settled I can start again so if I don't reply to anyone in the meantime- apologies.

Back on the hunt again!! I have Kate's marriage certificate from 1875 and her father (deceased) was John Demoulin - a shoemaker by trade. I assume her mother's name is the witness so would be Mary. Again I have had no luck with census etc so am really stuck.
Any suggestions?

Is this a possible?

Deaths Jun 1893
Dumoulin Jane 81 Holborn 1b 517

Could the witness be a sister, Mary given above?

Hi Selena
Thanks for info on Jane. She is on 1891 census with her son Charles and Kate&Elias & children were living with her so I assumed she was mother. BUT on Kate's marriage cert the witness is Mary, and I always thought that would be her mother - unless she was dead of course. I am really stuck because I can't think where to trace these parents as they don't show anywhere...

thanks for help
Claire

Could the witness be a sister, Mary given above?

Have you found Jane and Charles, or Elias and Kate on the 1881, I can't find them!

HI Selena- sorry had to go out suddenly!
Couldn't find them on 1881 but I did find Jane & Charles living with Elias & Kate on 1891 but it was difficult - I think I ended up looking for Grace Park the daughter. They were all living at 47 Baltic Street. But then on Ancestry 1881 I found a Charles Dumoulin living with mother and sister both called Mary -also at 47 Baltic Street. Slight difference in age of Charles but usual at that time I know. So was there a mistake with Mary senior name or ?? I am really confused but I got Charles (again Dumoulin) on 1901. This is my problem, I can find Kate at marriage but no further back.

1881 for reference

Mary DUMOULIN Head W Female 68 St Luke, Middlesex, England Widow Of A Bootmaker
Charles DUMOULIN Son U Male 32 St Luke, Middlesex, England Boot Maker
Mary DUMOULIN Daur U Female 28 St Luke, Middlesex, England Boot Machinist

Dwelling 47 Baltic St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341079
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0366 / 24
Page Number 12

Hope that any other kind member might be able to find this family on an earlier census?

Deaths Dec 1913
Dumolin Charles 64 Shoreditch 1c 90

Hi Selena

I did reply yesterday but it doesn't seem to have got through - don't know what happened...

Couldn't find Kate & Elias on 1881, or Charles and Jane. There is a Charles and two Marys (surname Dumoulin)on Ancestry 1881 census so I'm not sure now if the record is right. Perhaps the census taker wrote Mary twice and mother should have been Jane? Also Charles is on 1901 as Demoul;in - age is about right on all three records. I know the family trade was shoe/bootmakers .

I only found Kate & Elias on 1891 by searching for the daughter Grace Park..they weren't listed in GR record.

Any ideas?

Claire

PS

I have to be out all day so won't be able to reply straight away...I know that's annoying but I'm trying to make spare time to do more searching. I think there are some great researchers on this site!!