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Can anyone help with tracing any further back from this lady.

Mother - Emma Lester
Father - Ralph Richmond 1819-55 d of pnuemonia.

Thanks
Jane ggggdaughter

where did she live or where was she born? and where does the Hammersley come in?

for ref

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Richmond Sarah Hammersley Burton 6b 252


The district Burton is an alternative name for Burton upon Trent and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Derbyshire and Staffordshire;

Is this her? Why I'm asking is that we have to find out where she was born.

Marriages Mar 1877
Brown Maria Derby 7b 541
Byron John Derby 7b 541
Downs John Samuel Derby 7b 541
Richmond Sarah Hammersley Derby 7b 541
Shaw Thomas Derby 7b 541

a possible for emma & sarah in 1871


1871 England Census
about Sarah Richmond
Name: Sarah Richmond
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Tutbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tutbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Richmond 40 ( widower )
Sarah Richmond 16
Thomas Lester 83

Good one, Jacky.

thanks ozibird
but jane is wanting infomation before 1855 but i can.t find ralph ggerrrr lol but looking for emma

jane
ithink this could be emma with parents & sibling s


1841 England Census
about Emma Lester
Name: Emma Lester
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tutbury
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Burton upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lester 50
Sarah Lester 50
Mary Lester 25
Sarah Lester 15
Charlotte Lester 15
Thomas Lester 14
Emma Lester 10
Joseph Lester 8
George Lester 7 Mo


but still no ralph & can.t find marriage either

Here's Thomas.

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Lester
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Abbott Brough, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tutbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield Tutbury
Town: Tutbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 15 Monk St

Occupation: Boot & shoe maker


Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 15b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lester 62
Sarah Lester 62 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
George Lester 10 - son, Tutbury

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Lester
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tutbury
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Monk Street

Occupation: Shoemaker

Registration district: Burton upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lester 50
Sarah Lester 50
Mary Lester 25 - Cotton Spinner
Sarah Lester 15 - Cotton Spinner
Charlotte Lester 15 - Cotton Spinner
Thomas Lester 14
Emma Lester 10 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph Lester 8
George Lester 7 Mo

There's also a Henry Lester 9 who's out of order on the list. He comes last after a Thomas Brown who's possibly a lodger. The next household is a William Lester & family, 30, shoemaker.

hi have been looking at the marriage of emma lester in march 1853 in w derby but there is a bridegroom missing however i have looked it up on ancesrty & there was a john
richmond married in w derby in march 1853 so i think this could be emma.s hubby & sarah.s father wonder where jane got ralph from

jane can you tell me where you got the name ralph from as sarah.s father

jacky

I've also found this.

1851 England Census
Name: John Richmond
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 32 Paddington

Occupation: Victualler

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 1l
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Richmond 22
Sarah Richmond 27 - Tutbury
Francis Lester 7 - nephew
Hannah Kirkpatrick 18 - servant



Update: Do you think they may be related? John could be husband to both Sarah & Emma. According to the christenings found on IGI Sarah would be the right age.

Marriages Sep 1849
Baillie Jane Liverpool 20 205
Baillie Peter Liverpool 20 205
Brooks Edward Liverpool 20 205
Crellin Elizabeth Liverpool 20 205
Denney Elizabeth Liverpool 20 205
Flaskett Daniel Liverpool 20 205
Lester Sarah Liverpool 20 205 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Richmond John Liverpool 20 205 <<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Sarah Brock Liverpool 20 205


Deaths Sep 1852
RICHMOND Sarah W Derby 8b 339

1861 England Census
Name: Emma Richmand
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tutbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Marchington
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Village

Occupation: Housekeeper

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub-registration district: Sudbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Genard 52
Thomas Genard 5
Emma Richmand 30
Thomas Bird 20

1851 England Census
Name: Emma Lester
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tulbary, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Poynton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: The Village

Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Prestbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 39
Louisa Taylor 37
John Taylor 19
Kate Taylor 9
Ann Taylor 8
Mary Taylor 5
William Taylor 2
Emma Lester 20

no Ralph Richmond born on IGI searching.

this is jackpot if we have the right emma lester



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Husband
Thomas Lester Pedigree


Birth: 23 AUG 1789 Abbots Bromley, Stafford, England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 JUN 1810 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



Father: Thomas Lester Family
Mother: Mary Paine


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Wife
Sarah Parr Pedigree


Birth: 1789 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 JUN 1810 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:





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Children

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1. Jane Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 08 MAR 1812 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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2. Mary Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 13 FEB 1814 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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3. George Lester Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 24 DEC 1815 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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4. Charles Lester Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 24 AUG 1817 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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5. John Lester Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 11 JUL 1819 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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6. Ann Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 16 SEP 1821 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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7. Sarah Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 02 NOV 1823 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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8. Charlotte Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 08 JUL 1825 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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9. Thomas Lester Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 24 JUN 1827 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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10. Ann Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 08 MAR 1829 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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11. Emma Lester Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 20 FEB 1831 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



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12. Joseph Lester Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 23 DEC 1832 Tutbury, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:

i think the marriage in 1853 with emma lester & john richmond could be a good pssibility my advice to you jane is to risk the £7.00 & send for cert if father of emma is thomas you have lots of infomation to work with here

jacky

???

1841 England Census
Name: John Richmond
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Richmond Row

Occupation:

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Richmond 45 - confectioner; Scotland
Jane Richmond 45 - Scotland
Thomas Richmond 14
John Richmond 12
George Richmond 10
Robert Richmond 5
Janet Richmond 20 - Scotland
Margaret Richmond 20 - Scotland

Thanks for replying to my post. I only have a copy of her entry of birth:

4th March 1855
Father - Ralph Richmond (deceased) Publican
Mother - Emma Richmond
Burton upon Trent - Registration District
Tutbury is listed as the Sub-District.
?? also lists Stafford and Derby
Certificate No. 35050

Sarah Richmond m John Samuel Downs
daughters: Amy S. Downs
Sophia Polly Downs 22/2/1881

I am very new to this, and have become quite stumped
Kind regards
Jane Denley

It certainly looks like Ralph & the John found with Sarah may be the same man as their occupations are the same.

If so Ralph must've been the name he went by. As his father was a John that is quite possible.

Please let us know how you go with the marriage cert.

Ozi.