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can any one help me out i am trying to find family that movie from scotland in the early 1900s
Looking into Kenneth, Donald, David Andrew and Isabella Cumming who emigrated from Scotland. Not sure when they went, if they all went together but have the impression they did as I have a very torn photo of the liner my Mum says they went on. No name for the ship!

Addresses
1.Kenneth Cumming Nov 19 1885 is writing from Ypsilanti Michigan

2.Donald Cumming wirtes from 1 29N 56 Avenue West West Duluth Minnesota USA in 1907
401 East 4th Street Duluth Minnesota 1933/4. He is an old man and I think he died in 1935

3.Ruth daughter of Isabella with Children Leona, Dorothy and son name unknown as yet is writing from Parma which seems to be a village in Jackson County Michigan . She stayed in TB clinic in Jackson as well.Very poor family

4.I also have a torn piece of paper address on it is Pheonix Arizona dated 1903 asking for the address of Don, David, Henry and Bell and signed T.K. Cumming. Not sure who this refers to.

My understanding of this Cumming family group:
Donald 1850 - 1935 School teacher. Died of old age
David 1853 - 1878 Blacksmith Died in accident
Andrew 1856 - 1901 Plantation supervisor in Virginia Died of heatstroke
Isabella 1858 - 1939 Seamstress Married Wilhelm Eckmann had ? children - Ruth her daughter had Leona, Dorothy and a son. Ruths husband was out of work for long periods and they were hard up. Ruth had TB.
Kenneth 1863 - ? I think married and had children but no evidence.
Christina 1865- 1904 Nurse. Died of TB after prolonged nursing of fatherThomas Cumming
HENRY 1869 - 1950 Apprentice Taylor in Kidderminster1885 Joined B.ham Constabulary 1904. Married his cousin julia Ross 28/12/1894. Their children were Chrissie madge 1900 - 1904 died of pnemonia, Kathleen 1903 - 1927 Died of brain tumour and son stillborn 1905 which links up with the death of Julia his wife. He married Madeline Dawes 1908

Hi Ann,

What are their names and approx birth year please?

lol as DET said *watches this space*

*space has been watched!*

See updated version of first post

Wow, Tinkeerbell! That's an impressive amount of info in your editted first post - lots for peeps to get their teeth into!!

So if I recall correctly, you are after any details people can find, to source your family lore and memorabilia, and if possible details of the ship they travelled on.

if anyone is up for to the challange, please feel free, as I am timewise committed to real world stuff for Thursday.

Here's what I've found so far..

Not sure if that's him..


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Kenneth Cumming
Arrival Date: 15 Jun 1882
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Ireland
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Irish
Ship Name: Ethiopia
Search Ship Database: View the Ethiopia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 47
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_453
List Number: 813
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States



1920 United States Federal Census

Name: Donald Cumming
Home in 1920: Duluth, St Louis, Minnesota
Age: 63 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head-of-house: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1884
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 934
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Bigbee 64
Mary Morgan 42
Mable Nack 33
Harold Bayer 12
Donald Cumming 63


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Donald Cumming
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1899
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Ship Name: Majestic
Search Ship Database: View the Majestic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 13
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_78
Page Number: 281

To Duluth, Minn


Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Name: Donald Cumming
Arrival Date: 21 Feb 1905
Age: 47 years
Age Months: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Scotch (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cymric
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Scotland
Microfilm Roll Number: 80

To Duluth, Minnesota

Checked their birth year in when they was in Scotland - you have it few years out so found them using the Census in 1861 & 1871 Scotland.

Will keep looking

Groom's name: Kenneth Cummings
Groom's race or color (on document):
Groom's age: 26 years
Groom's birth year: 1860
Groom's birthplace: Scotland
Bride's name: Zilla Gea
Bride's race or color (on document):
Bride's age: 23 years
Bride's birth year: 1863
Bride's birthplace: Canada
Marriage type:
Marriage date: 02 Jul 1886
Marriage place: Ypsilanti, Washtenaw, Michigan
Father of groom's name:
Mother of groom's name:
Father of bride's name:
Mother of bride's name:
Marital status:
Groom's previous wife's name:
Bride's marital status:
Bride's previous husband's name:
Additional relatives:
Film number: 2342479
Frame number:
Digital GS number: 4207635
Image number: 11
Reference number: v 2 p 343 rn 1320
Collection: Michigan Marriages 1868-1925

Go to: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

You will find Ken's marr there, as posted by TinM - at the extreme left of each hit, you can click to get the image

Belle Cummings of Ypsilanti is a witness (the other witness looks like a rellie of the minister).

Here's another hit - there's BMD registers there, not just M

Groom's name: Kenneth Eckman
Groom's race or color (on document):
Groom's age: 21 years
Groom's birth year: 1901
Groom's birthplace: Jackson, Michigan
Bride's name: Eliza Allen
Bride's race or color (on document):
Bride's age: 19 years
Bride's birth year: 1903
Bride's birthplace: Jackson, Michigan
Marriage type:
Marriage date: 07 Jan 1922
Marriage place: Jackson, Jackson, Michigan
Father of groom's name: Wm J. Eckman
Mother of groom's name: Bell Cumming **************************
Father of bride's name: Frank Allen
Mother of bride's name: Ida Cole
Marital status:
Groom's previous wife's name:
Bride's marital status:
Bride's previous husband's name:
Additional relatives:
Film number: 2342749
Frame number:
Digital GS number: 4047122
Image number: 423
Reference number: v 3 rn 8
Collection: Michigan Marriages 1868-1925

If Isabella was born in Scotland in 1858 and went to Scotland in 1882 is this her in the 1871 census.

Name: Isabella M. Cumming
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Walcot
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: 1 Gt Bedford Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mark Pringle 69
Julia F. Pringle 69
Constance J.V. Pringle 31
Isabella M. Cumming 22

lots of the family don't appear to be IN Scotland and appear to have left from English ports.

Donald CUMMING (AFN: 22T5-CL3) Pedigree
Sex: M Family


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Event(s)
Birth: 4 Sep 1859
, Kilmallie, , Scotland

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Parents
Father: Donald CUMMING (AFN: 22T5-CJN) Family
Mother: Mary Catherine "Blacksmith" MCDONALD (AFN: CDPR-CF)

Do you happen to know where in Scotland. Found lots of Cumming family from Kincardine Scotland most names are different from your list.

have found a line of this family, born in Scotland who came to Australia. Is this a possibility

1861 Census Scotland

Name: Kenneth Cumming
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Chirsty
Gender: Male
Where born: Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Registration Number: 83
Registration district: Tarbat
Civil parish: Tarbat
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Braehead
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 163
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1861_10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cumming 26
Chirsty Cumming 34
Donald Cumming 4
Isabella Cumming 2
Kenneth Cumming 1

OK I have assumed that Donald was the father. He wasn't if kenneth was born 3 years after him. So who are the father and the mother of this family.

There are 7 born between 1850 and 1869
It will help identify family members on the census if the parents are known.

Sorry I ask so many questions.

Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Thomas Cumming, Mother: Chirsty Sutherland
Exact Spelling: Off

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 10
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. ISABELLA CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUL 1858 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

2. KENNETH CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 MAR 1860 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

3. THOMAS CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 27 APR 1862 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

4. THOMAS CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 02 JAN 1864

5. THOMAS CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 JAN 1867 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

6. THOMAS CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 29 JUL 1868

7. CHRISTINA CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 12 NOV 1872 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

8. HENRY CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 DEC 1869 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

9. DONALD CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 AUG 1856 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

10. DAVID CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 31 JUL 1864 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

[batch #s c110831/3]


Results for: Thomas Cumming, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Chirsty Sutherland
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: m110831

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 1
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. THOMAS CUMMING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 22 NOV 1855 Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

[Any 1855 cert is worth getting]

DONALD CUMMING

Not sure if it is the same as yours

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
about Donald H. Cumming
Name: Donald H. Cumming
Death Date: 24 Aug 1933
Death County: Saint Louis
State file number: 026146
Certificate Number: 026146
Certificate Year: 1933
Record Number: 651080

This is the same Donald which T in Middx found, but in 1930


Donald Cummings Home in 1930
:Duluth, St Louis, Minnesota- the address could be the same as your later letter
Age: 74
estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head-of-house: Lodger
Race: White
Occupation: None
Rent/home value: N/A
Age at first marriage: Single
Parents' birthplace:Scotland/Scotland
Immigrated 1884
Not Naturalised
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Bigbee 75
Donald Cummings 74
Charles Hagman 72 (bro of Martha the landlady)

Try this link for Gene portal for links in the US

www.usgenweb.org

And Virginia for Andrew

http://vagenweb.org

I am posting the info you sent onto your thread. It is quite important to the scope of the search.


"hi there port mchormack is where they came from in scotland, (sorry about the spelling) tarbat and ross area"


Answer to query regarding who were the parents:

hi there again thomas cumming and christy sutherland. there are several sutherlands that went away from scotland, i am also trying to trace info back to red cumming who was sherif of scotland but robert the bruce killed him after the fire in the abby we cant find info can u help me where to go

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When you have digested what info has been posted please let us know if we are on the right track so the search can continue correctly.

Hang in there, it looks like it is coming together.

Have you read this. Googled "red cumming robert the bruce" and came up with this literary delight. Too long to post here but it does give you an insight into the origins of yur family name. You probably know the gist of it, and you will have to work out exactly where your lot fit it.

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/cumming.htm

Highlight the address, copy and paste it into the address bar (right mouse click copy, click into address bar, then paste) then click on the green arrows at end of address bar.

hi there sorry im new to all this i didnt know wot to do i am sorry for any problems this has coursed. rite as u can see by my first info sent on here is a set of cumming that mover to usa n canada. there parents are as per email i sent up thomas cumming n christy Sutherland, n did u under stand the scotland area, if u wish i can try and put all the info together n see where i can go n hopefull fill in the gaps if i can please ask any questions n i will answer them if i can