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I am now narrowed down to finding Mary Fryer (1842) -- and given as c.1850 and c.1849 in the 1841 and 1851 census returns.

So far we have not found her in Sedgley after 1851 and assume that they had moved. Possibly the father James (1813) had died. Her sister Elizabeth (Betsy) and brother Thomas (1841) did not seem to be there either.
Her brothers William 1839 and James 1851 were still in Sedgely in 1881.

I have found Staffs marriage entries for two Marys with Samual Matthews in Newcastle-under-Lyme in 1875, and with James Perry (my ancestor) in Stone Staffs in 1877.

Anthony

Sorry!! Those census years should read 1851 and 1861.

Her parents' names are an issue. On the RC marriage cert they were left blank. On the 'official' cert, she gave her father as Thomas, so we think she was brought up by her brother Thomas for most of her life, but do not know where they were living after 1861.

I am a bit confused by some of your dates. You say she was born in 1842 but you have found her in the 1841 census!

Presumably you found her father's name from her marriage cert?

Anthony,

Also geting confused.

1851 is this the one !!

Name: Thomas Pryer
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
James Pryer 34
Elizabeth Pryer 34
William Pryer 11
Thomas Pryer 9
Elizabeth Pryer 7
Mary Ann Pryer 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2031; Folio: 145; Page: 11; GSU roll: 87438.

Could do with a second opinion of the surname on image.

Maureen

Anthony,

Isn't this the family in 1861?

1861 England Census
about James Fryer
Name: James Fryer
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Fryer 44
William Fryer 21
Thomas Fryer 19
Betsey Fryer 17
Mary A Fryer 12
James Fryer 10

Yes, that is the family in 1861, still in Sedgley.

Anthony,

So did Mary A. Fryer marry your ancestor, James Perry? I couldn't find a marriage for him. You need to clarify some things before we all chase after the wrong family.

Joan

Looks like Fryer to me on the 1851 - the P in Potts three lines above is different.

I think this is the marriage Anthony has found - can you confirm that you have the marriage cert, please, Anthony:

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Devall Harriatt Stone 6b 74
Friar Mary Stone 6b 74
PERRY James Stone 6b 74
Taberner Stanford Stone 6b 74

Sorry, see that you have added marriage cert details to your original post.

The only James Perry with a wife Mary, born Sedgeley that I can find in 1881 - and she is too young to be the Mary Ann Fryer in 1851 & 61:

James Perry
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 97 Ruiton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Laborer

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Perry 50
Mary Perry 50
Sarah Perry 13
James Perry 9

Joan's 1881 is a better bet than the one I found, as that family are together on the 1871.

James and Mary had two children Ann Ellen and Lewis (Louis) both born near Stone, Staffs

1901
Mary Perry abt 1846 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head Stone, Staffordshire
1891
Mary Perry James abt 1845 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Stone, Staffordshire
1881
Mary Perry James abt 1844 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Stone, Staffordshire

So, according to the 1881, whe was born in Sedgely in 1844.

Her birth?
Name: Mary Fryer
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 266

Those are they, both buried at Stone

I actually ordered that birth cert from the GRO. This Mary was the daughter of Joseph and Lucy nee Johnson.

I think that Mary was born before her mother married William Ellis in 1844
1851
Mary Ellis William,
Martha abt 1843 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley, Staffordshire

1861
Mary Ellis abt 1844 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Servant Sedgley, Staffordshire

1871
Mary Ellis abt 1846 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Servant Edgbaston, Warwickshire

Jim, Do you have more on that, can you note any further details?
An illeg. christening in Sedgley of a daughter to Martha Fryer is listed in the IGI on 27.08.1843. IGI also lists a marriage of (the same?) Martha to William E. Moss on 10.11.1844. The daughter was noted as being christened Martha also, but that could be incorrect.

I just checked the IGI print out, Martha's husbands name was given as William E. Miss, that could well be a misread Ellis