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I am trying to trace any information on Thomas Knott born 1890, i know from my mother he was a baker, his married Ethel Franklin in 1911 and have found via the wedding cert that his father was george George Knott but thats all i can find. Any help would be welcome

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Franklin Ethel Poplar 1c 784
Knott Thomas Poplar 1c 784


The district Poplar is an alternative name for Poplar and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Middlesex;


2 possable births

Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Knott Thomas Bradford, Y. 9b 138

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Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Knott Thomas Chorlton 8c 930



you need to find the family in 1891 as a new born

What was his father's occupation on the marriage cert?

This is probably Thomas in 1911, have you looked at the transcription to see who he is living with?

HOUSEHOLD KNOTT THOMAS M 1890 21 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

Christine

thank you for your help, sorry i didnt reply earlier i finished work and had along drive home..i will follow those leads. I have no record of a middle name for thomas, it just says on wedding cert Thomas Knott. I know he was a baker and that he lived in an orphanage (his wedding cert in 1911 says Father deceased. any further help welcome. thank you

Sablon has shown a Manchester and Bradford birth option but which if any is correct ?

As you said he was in an orphanage there isthis possible in 1901 but the birth year is out a little.

1901 England Census
about Thomas Knott
Name: Thomas Knott
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Brentwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Brentwood St Thomas a Beckett
Town: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England


Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: Hackney Union Training Schools

I haven't found him in 1891 to match up though.

What was the address given on the marriage cert?

You could try to find him in 1911 from that.

Christine

Thank you all for your suggestions.it would seem that he was born in 1890 from the wedding cert. address given is a bit hard to read but looks like 24 carmen street for both of them, married in the parish of what looks ???something bromley..if this helps anyone.till trying to find him as a new born. where orphans listed as borders lodgers or inmates?

hi Alan, sorry what is sablon,i am guessing he would be in the london , kent area but if orphaned out ??? who knows guessing those places as they married in Bromley and lived in london area

Hi Cindy,
"Sablon" was the first to respond to your thread.

i,m so sorry yes of course,

can i give any more info that might help? i think i have mentioned thebits i know but..

Who were the witnesses on marriage cert please?

Was ethel's father called Charles?

Can you give us ALL the details from cert please?


Dea x

There is a Bromley in East London - as well as one in Kent.

Jill

hello Dea
Here goes,some i cant read clearly
15th April 1911, at the Parish church in Parish of ???Bromley, county of London
Thomas knott, 21, Bachelor, address 24 ??carmen St, fathers name George, Deceased
Ethel Franklin,19, spinster, same address,father Charles, Labourer
Witnesses, G Franklinand Lizzy Franklin
I believe Ethels parents disowned her when she married Thomas, so the witnesses might be family members?
Hope this helps
I have had some leeds with Ethel but Thomas (who was a baker, and orphaned, no joy, so very grateful for your help

Modern print when got cert says cert was registered in Poplar

thank you Mrs Grumpy, i didnt realise that...that would make more sense

I think this may be her on 1901 and witnesses her brother George and sister Eliza (Lizzie?)

1901 England Census
about Ethel Franklin
Name: Ethel Franklin
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley, London, England

Civil parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels and St Michael Bromley
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Franklin 49 Gen. Labr.
Eliza Franklin 46
George H Franklin 12
Eliza Franklin 10
Ethel Franklin 9


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 346; Folio: 47; Page: 31.

Source Information:

Dea x

Going by his age (assuming he wasn't telling porkies and was 21) and the date of the marriage - he could have been born anytime between 16 April 1889 and 14 April 1891.

Not sure if that will help but you may possibly need to search a wider time period for a possible birth.

Jill

thank you jill
That makes sense,i shall search wider, i believe some people did tell porkies' at that time :-)

It needs more work to prove it but I believe this is 'your' Thomas on 1891
- all the children seem to scatter after this census and I have followed a few but can't do
more until later so I will post it and perhaps someone could follow the links?

1891 England Census
about Thomas Knott
Name: Thomas Knott
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lukes Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Knott 49 Glass manufacturer
James Knott 19
William Knott 4 ......... He is 11 on image !!!
Jame Knott 9 .............. JANE on image - daughter.
Robert Knott 7
Thomas Knott 5
Arthur Knott 4

at 26 St. Anne's Rd.

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 312; Folio 56; Page 24; GSU roll: 6095422.

I don't know London but there is a Thomas on 1911 who is a Bread Baker - born Hackney?? c 1887

Will try to get back later .

Dea x